384605 - Need some stuff moved

Status: RESOLVED FIXED

(mozilla.org :: CVS: Copy, task)

Description

[Eric Shepherd [:sheppy]]

We need to replace the content of several directories on mozilla.org with new material related to JavaScript 2 and ECMAScript 4.  Before we can do this, we need to move the existing content to a backup location, as follows:

http://www.mozilla.org/js/language/js20.html  ->
http://www.mozilla.org/js/language/old-js2.html
http://www.mozilla.org/js/language/js20/index.html ->
http://www.mozilla.org/js/language/old-js2/index.html
http://www.mozilla.org/js/language/Edition4.pdf ->
http://www.mozilla.org/js/language/old-js2/Edition4.pdf

Once these moves are done, we'll delete the existing files and replace them with new material.

Comment 1

[Dave Miller [:justdave]]

Just a thought...  Has anyone given any thought to just putting a label at the top of the existing pages denoting them as obsolete, and setting up the new pages on developer.mozilla.org?  Given the subject matter it seems like that would be a good fit.

Comment 2

[Eric Shepherd [:sheppy]]

I emailed the JS2 guys and asked their opinion on this; waiting to hear.'

It's true that we strongly discourage placing new content on mozilla.org, in favor of MDC for docs and wiki.mo for planning content.

Comment 3

[Brendan Eich [:brendan]]

I mailed back saying we want to mothball es4 and js20 subdirs of js/language but not leave old links dangling. We also don't want old links finding the old docs, even with some red letters at the top. We really want to mothball, which means put in a jar so the chemical stench is contained. That means renaming, either in CVS or via Apache redirect magic.

What if we made js/language/ => MDC, so we could make the subdirs es4 and js20 both refer to the same new page there? Would such a redirect leave the old es4 and js20 subdirs unreachable?

BTW, we'd much rather have any new, "first class" subdir be called js2, not js20.

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Comment 4

[Eric Shepherd [:sheppy]]

We also need to have the following moved:

http://www.mozilla.org/js/language/es4 -> http://www.mozilla.org/js/language/old-es4

http://www.mozilla.org/js/language/es4.html -> http://www.mozilla.org/js/language/old-es4.html

Then we need to make these redirect to the appropriate pages in MDC, which is to say that the /js and /js.html stuff should redirect to "mdc:JavaScript 2" (unless you guys would prefer it be called "ECMAScript 4".

Comment 5

[Brendan Eich [:brendan]]

Comment 4 is wrong, sheppy knows via IRC. Back out, full reverse, etc.!

/be

Comment 6

[Brendan Eich [:brendan]]

Comment 5 is wrong, I give up. Ignore me....

/be

Comment 7

[Eric Shepherd [:sheppy]]

Hehehe... to be clear, yes, we need to do the stuff in comment 4. :)

Comment 8

[Dave Miller [:justdave]]

so basically, yes, if we make those directories redirect to MDC, then the contents of those directories would not be visible from the web at all, but they would remain in CVS for people to examine there if they really needed them.  They could stay at the same path on the back-end but nobody would be able to get at them (it would redirect to MDC).

Comment 9

[Brendan Eich [:brendan]]

Would be better if we could get to them via www.mozilla.org/js/language/old-* -- we do consult them from time to time, but we do not want the world finding them by the highly-ranked URLs.

/be

Comment 10

[Dave Miller [:justdave]]

OK, so the plan of action here is:

1) cvs copy the following (all inside /js/language/)
   * js20.html -> old-js20.html
   * js20/ -> old-js2/js20/
   * Edition4.pdf -> old-js2/Edition4.pdf
   * es4.html -> old-es4.html
   * es4/ -> old-es4/
2) Set up redirects to MDC (I need destination URLs provided) for: (regexps)
   * js20\.html
   * js20/.*
   * Edition4\.pdf
   * es4\.html
   * es4/.*

That look correct?

Comment 11

[Dave Miller [:justdave]]

ping...

Comment 12

[Brendan Eich [:brendan]]

That looks right at a glance.

/be

Comment 13

[Brendan Eich [:brendan]]

Dan, please check out comment 10 and approve if it looks good to you too. Thanks,

/be

Comment 14

[Dan Smith]

Looks correct to me as well.  - Dan

Comment 15

[Reed Loden [:reed]]

Attachment: cvscopy file - v1

Is this correct?

Comment 16

[Brendan Eich [:brendan]]

(In reply to comment #15)
> Created an attachment (id=270275) [details]
> cvscopy file - v1
> 
> Is this correct?

Sure, I read every character! Seriously, if you automatically produced that, it would be better to show the script you used. It looks ok to me still, even though I didn't really read every char.

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Comment 17

[Brendan Eich [:brendan]]

Comment on attachment 270275 [details]
cvscopy file - v1

rubber-stamp -- see my last comment if you want a real review. There shouldn't be any hold-up here, though. We can fix whatever's wrong after. This is not a delicate, must measure thrice before cutting once, operation.

/be

Comment 18

[Dave Miller [:justdave]]

OK, Comment 10 item #2 should probably be filed as a separate bug (and marked dependent on this one) because different people are going to wind up fixing it.  Should go in the www.mozilla.org component.  I'll take care of #1 shortly.

Comment 19

[Dave Miller [:justdave]]

Attachment: verification transcript

Something looks off here...   I'm not sure you meant to create both old-js2 and old-js20.  Someone want to re-verify this script?

Comment 20

[Dave Miller [:justdave]]

while I'm at it, the following directories appear to already exist here:

js20
js20-1999-02-18
js20-1999-03-25
js20-2000-07
js20-2002-04

You want the new ones to be another dated one to follow suit?

Comment 21

[Reed Loden [:reed]]

(In reply to comment #19)
> Something looks off here...   I'm not sure you meant to create both old-js2 and
> old-js20.  Someone want to re-verify this script?

Yeah, looks like all the "mozilla-org/html/js/language/old-js20/" should have been "mozilla-org/html/js/language/old-js2/js20". :(

Comment 22

[Brendan Eich [:brendan]]

(In reply to comment #21)
> Yeah, looks like all the "mozilla-org/html/js/language/old-js20/" should have
> been "mozilla-org/html/js/language/old-js2/js20". :(

I was never going to spot that in the attachment, but if you used a script to generate those path pairs, I might have -- or perhaps not :-/.

Easy to fix, never mind the Attic contents!

/be

Comment 23

[Brendan Eich [:brendan]]

Dave: don't want date suffixing, just old- prefixing. There won't be any more revs of waldemar's old specs.

/be

Comment 24

[Dave Miller [:justdave]]

This needs a new copy script with the correct paths in it before I can act on it.  If I find some time I'll try to cook one up myself, but I came back from vacation right into OSCON, so who knows.  I'll likely find time tonight, since there's not a lot of folks around yet, but if not, it may be the weekend.

Comment 25

[Reed Loden [:reed]]

Attachment: cvscopy file - v2

Ok, let's try this again. How does this look?

Comment 26

[Brendan Eich [:brendan]]

Comment on attachment 273631 [details]
cvscopy file - v2

I don't have time for this right now, hoping Blake does.

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Comment 27

[Blake Kaplan (:mrbkap) (inactive)]

Comment on attachment 273631 [details]
cvscopy file - v2

Uhhh, sure...

Comment 28

[Reed Loden [:reed]]

Attachment: copy transcript

Comment 29

[Reed Loden [:reed]]

Done.

It will be your responsibility to remove the old files. I will file another bug to deal with the redirects.

Comment 30

[Reed Loden [:reed]]

(In reply to comment #29)
> I will file another bug to deal with the redirects.

Filed bug 389455.

Comment 31

[Dave Miller [:justdave]]

Thanks, Reed!