404473 - German localization of Firefox on Macintosh uses non-standard menu names and keyboard shortcuts

Status: RESOLVED FIXED

(Mozilla Localizations :: de / German, defect)

Description

[Andreas Hartl]

User-Agent:       Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; de; rv:1.9b1) Gecko/2007110903 Firefox/3.0b1
Build Identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; de; rv:1.9b1) Gecko/2007110903 Firefox/3.0b1

The following names of the German localization of Firefox do not match Apple's recommendations:

* "Datei" (for "File") instead of "Ablage"
* "Rückgängig" (for "Undo" in the Edit menu) instead of "Widerrufen"
* "Wiederherstellen" (for "Redo" in the Edit menu) instead of "Wiederholen"

The following keyboard shortcuts do not match to the standard keyboard shortcuts on the Macintosh:

* Quit program: Command-B instead of Command-Q (standard also for German Macintosh applications)

The following keyboard shortcuts displayed in the menu are difficult to access on a German keyboard:
* Command-[ for previous page
* Command-] for next page
Fortunately, Command-Cursor left and Command-Cursor right also work, but users unaware of this combinations are unlikely to find them without being mentioned in the menu.

Reproducible: Always

Steps to Reproduce:
1. Start Firefox on Mac OS

Comment 1

[Jeremy Baron]

I don't speak German, but dupe of Bug 395650 ?

Comment 2

[Axel Hecht [:Pike]]

This isn't a dupe, IMHO.

I think we can (and should, IMHO) fix the close control key,

browser.dtd:<!ENTITY quitApplicationCmdMac.key      "B">

For the File menu, that has a cross-platform name. Being able to fix that would require an #ifdef in browser-menu.inc and two separate entities. This would probably spread out into at least help, too. I'm not sure if it's worth it.

For Undo and Redo, the recommended translations seem to match what's on windows, don't they? That should be trivial.

Back and forth sound right to me, I'd rather not change those.

Comment 3

[Andreas Hartl]

I was expecting the rationale of "Datei" instead of "Ablage" to be like this, and I agree that this minor nuisance may not be worth complicating the whole distribution (as well as the Undo/Redo translations).

However, I disagree with the Back and forth keyboard shortcuts. Angle brackets are quite difficult to type on keyboards with German layout (MS: AltGr+8/9, Mac: Alt+5/6), so showing this Keyboard-Shortcut is unlikely to help the majority of users. So, while I don't see any problem in keeping the brackets as keyboard shortcuts, I argue for either using the Command+Cursor Keys or showing now keyboard shortcut at all in the German menu.

Comment 4

[Robert Kaiser]

The keyboard shortcuts should be the same across all languages, IMHO, i.e. the same as in US English, it's wrong anyways that those are in localization the way they are now.

Comment 5

[Martin Creutziger [:MMx]]

The forward-backward problem is bug 306585.
And yes, I tried to get stuff like different names for menuentries to be possible already before Fx1. At some point, I gave up.

Comment 6

[Stephan Jaensch]

The worst problem right now seems to be Command-B for quitting the application. Command-Q is the standard on Mac OS, even for the german version. The angle brackets are difficult to type and I agree that should also be changed, but at least Firefox 3 is consistent with Safari (which also displays Command-[/] for back/forward).

Comment 7

[Stephan Jaensch]

I just noticed that Command-B doesn't even work: The shortcut for the Bookmarks sidebar is the same. Hitting Command-B opens the sidebar instead of quitting the application.

Comment 8

[Kadir Topal [:atopal]]

Quit is back to Q, for the rest: see bug 268785