418556 - Move "Hide/Show Toolbar" further down in the View menu

Status: RESOLVED INCOMPLETE

(Camino Graveyard :: Toolbars & Menus, enhancement)

Description

[Samuel Sidler (old account; do not CC)]

We received a comment to feedback that requested we move the Hide Toolbar option further down in the View menu because it was too easy to accidentally click it in its current location.

This makes sense to me as most people who use the option probably know to use the pill button or the key command. I'll also note that Safari has it after their other "Hide/Show" options. For us, we'd move it and "Customize Toolbar" down one option. It'd become two when we have the ability to hide the status bar.

Filing as UNCO for discussion.

Comment 1

[Smokey Ardisson (offline for a while; not following bugs - do not email)]

My feeling is that accidentally hiding the main toolbar will be more noticeable (and trigger the user to go fix it right away), whereas the user might accidentally hide the bookmarks bar and not notice it right away and then later wonder what happened to the bookmarks bar.

OTOH, Sam noted that the main toolbar contains more critical items.

I don't have a strong opinion one way or another, and it does feel a bit "6-of-1, half-dozen of the other".

Comment 2

[Stuart Morgan]

We could actually move the entire block to right near the end (just before text encoding would be my suggestion). I think it used to be standard for those kinds of things to be right at the top, but looking around the system that doesn't appear to be the case anymore, and they seem much less likely to be used regularly than the rest of the menu.

Comment 3

[Smokey Ardisson (offline for a while; not following bugs - do not email)]

That seems reasonable given the way the winds are blowing, and it'd certainly get us out of the "6-of-1, half-dozen of the other" trade.

Comment 4

[Chris Peterson [:cpeterson]]

In the year 2010, today's precedents seem to be:

* Safari 5 and all versions of Camino: Show/Hide Toolbar is the first item at the top of the View menu.

* OmniWeb, Finder, Preview, and Mail.app: Show/Hide Toolbar is near the bottom of the View menu.

* Firefox and Chrome: completely non-standard menus.

The Apple HIG only says, "Show/Hide Toolbar should appear right above Customize Toolbar." But the example screenshot shows the Finder's View menu with Show/Hide Toolbar near the bottom:

http://developer.apple.com/library/mac/#documentation/UserExperience/Conceptual/AppleHIGuidelines/XHIGMenus/XHIGMenus.html%23//apple_ref/doc/uid/TP30000356-TPXREF148

Comment 5

[Chris Peterson [:cpeterson]]

btw, of the apps I just checked, those that have View menu items for "Zoom In" and "Zoom Out", all of them position the "Actual Size" menu item BEFORE "Zoom In" ... except Camino.