Closed
Bug 420490
Opened 16 years ago
Closed 16 years ago
Vista Icons should follow set standards
Categories
(Firefox :: Theme, defect)
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RESOLVED
WONTFIX
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(Reporter: jmjjeffery, Unassigned)
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(Keywords: polish)
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9b4pre) Gecko/2008030106 Minefield/3.0b4pre Firefox/3.0 Build Identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9b4pre) Gecko/2008030106 Minefield/3.0b4pre Firefox/3.0 The new visual refresh of the Icons for Vista on Firefox 3.0 are inconsistent with what I see are established 'Standards'. 1. The RSS Icon seems out of place and does not reflect what has been adopted by all browsers, even established by Mozilla originally. Comments like: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=414389#c46 reflect the feelings of testers/users. Its the 'Standard Icon' in the Bookmarks sidebar - Livemarks, Library and Bookmarks Menu drop-list, therefore the Icon in the Awesome bar should be the same. Its been also pointed out that in Tools-Options-Applications the 'Standared' Icon is used, so why can't we just leave the RSS Icon set to the accepted 'Standard' 2. On Vista the 'blue' X for Stop is just wrong. There are no 'blue' stop signs anywhere in the world, and if RED is good enough for IE 7, which we seem to be wanting to emulate then RED should be used here as well. The XP theme uses a RED X, and there is no reason to use a Blue X for Stop in Vista. More discussion here: http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=3276656#3276656 Several poster agree the Stop should be RED. Could we please use some common sense here and correct these two issues? Reproducible: Always Steps to Reproduce: 1. 2. 3. Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9b4pre) Gecko/2008030106 Minefield/3.0b4pre Firefox/3.0 ID:2008030106 Vista HP
Comment 1•16 years ago
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Marking new and requesting blocking because the change to the RSS feed icon is confusing and breaks the standardization we have seen across the internet on the old icon.
Status: UNCONFIRMED → NEW
Ever confirmed: true
Flags: blocking-firefox3?
Comment 2•16 years ago
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The web feed icon should be back to an orange square with a white glyph with the latest icon drop. We now have a stop button icon for Vista in red, although we haven't decided if we are going to use it.
Comment 3•16 years ago
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Thanks Alex, removing blocking request based on comment 2.
Flags: blocking-firefox3?
Comment 5•16 years ago
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Actually there was a small mistake when landing the RSS icons with the latest icon drop on windows (https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=306796) but we really are planning on using the standard web feed icon next to the star, and this should be fixed soon.
(In reply to comment #5) > Actually there was a small mistake when landing the RSS icons with the latest > icon drop on windows (https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=306796) > but we really are planning on using the standard web feed icon next to the > star, and this should be fixed soon. Just for clarification, will there be a blue RSS icon anywhere in Firefox 3 on Vista? My build is a few days old so this might no longer be true, but on RSS feeds there is a blue RSS icon next to 'Live Bookmarks' in the drop-down. I think it's extremely confusing (especially for new users who might not be familiar with RSS) to have the RSS icon in different colors in different places in the UI. On a more positive note, I have seen the new back and forward buttons for Vista and they look fantastic, much better than the old ones :D (But I have to say I agree with the comment above that the Stop button should be red ;)
Comment 7•16 years ago
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>Just for clarification, will there be a blue RSS icon anywhere in Firefox 3 on
>Vista?
No, we were at one point experimenting with a monochrome blue theme on Vista to try to make the UI appear visually lighter, but we've now removed all cases of the blue rss icon on Windows.
However, the RSS icon on OS X is blue, but that is internally consistent with the rest of OS X. We feel the shape of the icon itself is enough to represent its meaning, and designers of web sites or operating systems shouldn't be tied down to any particular color (as we state in the existing visual guidelines for the icon).
I also think that the Go button should remain green on Vista. Using green for Go and red for Stop are well-established conventions worldwide and I think it would be good if Firefox 3 kept following those conventions :)
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Comment 9•16 years ago
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(In reply to comment #8) > I also think that the Go button should remain green on Vista. Using green for > Go and red for Stop are well-established conventions worldwide and I think it > would be good if Firefox 3 kept following those conventions :) > Actually, on Vista, IE7 the 'go' is Blue, so I don't have an issue with a Blue 'Go' button as much as the Stop being Blue - as already pointed out, its RED on Vista IE7 as well.
Comment 10•16 years ago
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Should bug 420737 be a duplicate of this?
Comment 11•16 years ago
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Red like the octagon shape is inherent with Stop for the majority of users, this is important and should be maintained.
Comment 12•16 years ago
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I agree with Kris Silver, the stop button should remain as a red octagon with white "x" along the lines of Firefox 2.0 (just with more of a "Vista" polish.
Comment 13•16 years ago
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(In reply to comment #9) > (In reply to comment #8) > > I also think that the Go button should remain green on Vista. Using green for > > Go and red for Stop are well-established conventions worldwide and I think it > > would be good if Firefox 3 kept following those conventions :) > > > > Actually, on Vista, IE7 the 'go' is Blue, so I don't have an issue with a Blue > 'Go' button as much as the Stop being Blue - as already pointed out, its RED on > Vista IE7 as well. > So why didn't you put add a green Reload button to this bug? If the sole purpose of Firefox is to ape what IE7 has done, then that has to be green? At the moment, the Firefox Vista theme is showing an unifying colour on the 'Big Five' - the 5, conventionally recognised, major toolbar buttons - Forward, Back, Home, Stop, Reload. Which is not a bad idea. Change the colour of one and that wipes out that look. In which case, you then have to turn to another convention and have the Reload button green. Mind you, this bug doesn't affect me :) ...even so I have to say, using the colours and shapes of street traffic signs to make a case is pushing it, haha.
Comment 14•16 years ago
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(In reply to comment #9) > (In reply to comment #8) > > I also think that the Go button should remain green on Vista. Using green for > > Go and red for Stop are well-established conventions worldwide and I think it > > would be good if Firefox 3 kept following those conventions :) > > > > Actually, on Vista, IE7 the 'go' is Blue, so I don't have an issue with a Blue > 'Go' button as much as the Stop being Blue - as already pointed out, its RED on > Vista IE7 as well. Well, actually I wasn't suggesting that we necessarily take our cues for icon colours from IE7; I just think green makes sense (and looks good) for the Go button. I guess I find a monochrome theme rather dull; I don't see why a bit of colour contrast between icons is such a bad thing :) (In reply to comment #13) [snip] > So why didn't you put add a green Reload button to this bug? If the sole > purpose of Firefox is to ape what IE7 has done, then that has to be green? Actually, the Refresh button (as IE calls it) is also blue in IE7; the only one that isn't blue is the Stop button. > At the moment, the Firefox Vista theme is showing an unifying colour on the > 'Big Five' - the 5, conventionally recognised, major toolbar buttons - Forward, > Back, Home, Stop, Reload. Well the Home button is not on the navigation toolbar anymore (and it's much smaller on the bookmarks toolbar), so it's really the Big Four that we're talking about ;)
Comment 15•16 years ago
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We have a red stop button for Vista already created, but we aren't sure if we are going to use it yet. I'm personally concerned that having the color red flashing momentarily in the user's peripheral vision will cause a distraction, and they may look at it just because it catches their attention even if they have no intention of stopping the page. This isn't a problem on XP since there are a wide variety of colors used throughout the entire interface. On Vista IE and Explorer do use red for their stop icon, but their icons are also a lot smaller, and in the case of IE, the stop button doesn't change state from enabled to disabled like we do, so they don't have the distraction problem. In terms of the usability arguments that we should leverage traffic metaphors, a variety of people have pointed out every other browser on the market uses an X, and one could argue that external consistency with other software applications is more important for usability than external consistency with the real world. Additionally the stop sign metaphor is even a bit of a stretch, since it means you should stop as opposed to this is how you stop. A break pedal or emergency break would be a more direct visual metaphor. And metaphors aside, the stop button's functionality is self describing as it enables and disables while the page loads, so users will be able to infer the control's purpose even without any additional information.
Comment 16•16 years ago
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I did a quick survey of my Internet related applications that have some form of stop button and this is what I found: Red "X": IE7, Opera Black "X": Safari Red round button with white word "Stop": ZoneAlarm Red stop sign with white word "Stop": MySQL Query Browser Red round button with white "X": Pegasus Mail All browsers I have use an "X" and all my applications with such buttons use a red button except for Safari, which has black buttons. So, an "X" would be consistent with other applications, however, if the buttons are to be colored, the "X" needs to be red. Given how many years a red button has been used to indicate stop on web browsers, I think that it is a stretch to argue that a red button would be distracting. In fact I would argue that since Microsoft has seen fit to move the stop button in IE7 it would probably be wise to make sure that the button remain red and obvious so that users that bounce between IE and Firefox (e.g. work and home) quickly notice where the stop button is especially for casual computer users.
Comment 17•16 years ago
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Firefox should support standards and use the standard RSS icon! Please, fix this!
Comment 18•16 years ago
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KLB's research showing no common applications using a blue stop, only red, or in some scenarios black, must make the red stop mock-up be seriously considered. It should be enough not to even consider breaking this common UI consistency across the board of some of the most common applications people use and are used to.
Updated•16 years ago
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Status: NEW → RESOLVED
Closed: 16 years ago
Resolution: --- → WONTFIX
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