Closed Bug 431874 Opened 17 years ago Closed 16 years ago

Creating new newsgroups in Esperanto

Categories

(mozilla.org :: Discussion Forums, task)

Product:
mozilla.org
Component:
Discussion Forums
Platform:
x86
Windows ME
Type:
task
Priority:
Not set
Severity:
normal

Tracking

(Not tracked)

Status:
RESOLVED WONTFIX

People

(Reporter: milupo, Assigned: gerv)

Details

User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win 9x 4.90; hsb-DE; rv:1.8.1.13) Gecko/20080313 SeaMonkey/1.1.9 Build Identifier: I'd like to have new newsgoups in Esperanto for users of Mozilla products who are esperantists. Esperantists are living around the world. Meanwhile Mozilla applications have been translated to Esperanto, see http://tradukado.esperanto.org.uy/nova-309oj.html (Firefox) and http://www.eozilla.de (SeaMonkey, Thunderbird, Sunbird and KompoZer as well). As group names I'd propose: - mozilla.esperanto.firefox - mozilla.esperanto.seamonkey - mozilla.esperanto.thunderbird - mozilla.esperanto.misc I think for Sunbird and Kompozer would be to low traffic so the group .misc can be used for them. I expect that this could help to spread the Mozilla products more Reproducible: Always Steps to Reproduce: 1. 2. 3. Expected Results: Creating of the newsgroups: - mozilla.esperanto.firefox - mozilla.esperanto.seamonkey - mozilla.esperanto.thunderbird - mozilla.esperanto.misc If you have any questions to the site http://www.eozilla.de, it's my website so you can ask me. Maintainer of the site for Firefox in Esperanto (http://tradukado.esperanto.org.uy/nova-309oj.html) is Eduardo Trápani (for contact see this site)
I am certainly not creating four new groups with their own mozilla.* top-level hierarchy for a minority language. If you wanted an l10n group, it would be mozilla.dev.l10n.eo (there are several like that already). If you wanted a support group, it would be mozilla.support.firefox.eo or similar, although no i18n communities have such a group at the moment. If you just want a group for users to chat, we don't do those for anyone at the moment. The best thing to do is to install forum software on your website. Gerv
(In reply to comment #1) > I am certainly not creating four new groups with their own mozilla.* top-level > hierarchy for a minority language. > > If you wanted an l10n group, it would be mozilla.dev.l10n.eo (there are several > like that already). If you wanted a support group, it would be > mozilla.support.firefox.eo or similar, although no i18n communities have such a > group at the moment. If you just want a group for users to chat, we don't do > those for anyone at the moment. The best thing to do is to install forum > software on your website. A localization group isn't necessary. Would it be possible at least 1 group mozilla.support.esperanto or mozilla.support.eo? It should be a support group, not a dev group. In this 1 group all applications could be covered and all other things around these applications. For a forum I don't have good technical conditions and I had to look after that permanently. And it would be in fact my private affair. But it should be an affair of the Mozilla community. I didn't translate private applications, I translated Mozilla applications.
Hmm. I don't want lots of language groups at the mozilla.support.* level, as it's mixing things ("eo" is not a Mozilla project like "firefox" is). The catch-all group in mozilla.support is mozilla.support.other rather than mozilla.support.general, and mozilla.support.other.eo seems wrong. The l10n abbreviation isn't appropriate. It would need to be i11l (international)or something, and that's a horrible mix of characters which look like each other, as well as not being common. mozilla.support.general.eo? mozilla.support.language.eo? mozilla.language.eo? mozilla.community.eo? Justdave? Axel? What do you think? Are we in this business? If so, where should the group go? Gerv
(In reply to comment #3) > The l10n abbreviation isn't appropriate. It would need to be i11l > (international)or something, and that's a horrible mix of characters which look > like each other, as well as not being common. Use i12y? :)
I'm not on the top of the game on whether we are or not, maybe gandalf is. djst, how far are we with internationalizing the forums on sumo? Regarding newsgroup hierarchies, I'd rather abuse m.d.l10n.eo than invent a whole new universe parallel to l10n and sumo.
(In reply to comment #5) > djst, how far are we with internationalizing the forums on sumo? Interesting that you should ask because I was just talking to dynamis about setting up a Japanese forum. Will do some planning to get a better overview of what's missing in order to make that a reality. One thing though: SUMO is Firefox only. I believe Michael Wolf is asking for a more global Mozilla support forum. Correct?
Yes, Community Pack is early in the game, but is targeting exactly this kind of requests.
(In reply to comment #5) > Regarding newsgroup hierarchies, I'd rather abuse m.d.l10n.eo than invent a > whole new universe parallel to l10n and sumo. I intended to have one or more newsgroups for supporting all esperantists and all Mozilla applications. m.d.l10n.eo would be in fact for localizers only. Localizers are Eduardo Trápani with his team for Firefox and I for the other ones. For localization questions the existing English group m.dev.l10n is sufficient. As Gervase don't want to create 4 groups I proposed to use one group that covers all Mozilla applications. That means that in the name of the group needs to be 2 parts: mozilla and eo. I understand that my wish creates some problems because that would be the first mozilla group for a discussion in a language other than English. But maybe there would be similar wishes for other languages as well?
mozilla.support.%LOCALE%.* ? For instance, mozilla.support.eo.firefox. Or, if one support group for all products is desired, mozilla.support.eo (no need for .general at the end.)
Michael: I wouldn't say your request has caused "problems"; it's just that no-one has ever asked for this before, because all the other language communities have happily created their own websites and forums. So we don't quite know what to do with your request. Which of the names I suggested sounds best to you? Anyone else have a view? Axel: To be honest, I'd rather not abuse m.d.l10n.eo. Particularly if the person requesting this group is not connected to the l10n team. Chris: We _could_ do that, but it's mixing locales and other newsgroup names at the same level, which I'd prefer to avoid. Of course, it would be the least worst option. Gandalf, djst: how close are the things you mention to providing this service? Gerv
(In reply to comment #10) > Michael: I wouldn't say your request has caused "problems"; it's just that > no-one has ever asked for this before, because all the other language > communities have happily created their own websites and forums. So we don't > quite know what to do with your request. Websites we have too. But I don't want to you use a forum because I haven't good conditions here to take care of it. May be Eduardo has better facilities to create a forum. Esperanto translations are a little more than 1 year (SM) resp. Firefox half a year old. It's difficult to judge the traffic that will be in future. These groups with you have the advantage that they have direct relation to Mozilla and that they are moderated, there will be no spam in the groups, in short: they guarantee quality. > Which of the names I suggested sounds best to you? Anyone else have a view? I think the name that Chris mentioned in comment #9 would be the right one: mozilla.support.eo. The mozilla hierarchy isn't AFAIC broken, it's mozilla.support.* which is already existing. And an apart subhierarchy for eo meets my wish to have covered all applications. And it won't come into conflict with the content of other subhierarchies.
(In reply to comment #10) > Gandalf, djst: how close are the things you mention to providing this service? Not sure what service you're referring to. Sumo is Firefox only at the moment, so it doesn't make sense for the reporter, afaic.
Re comment 11, newsgroups are not moderated, at least not magically. That'd be on your lap to do, via a standard mailman interface.
The project I'm working on is something not far away from the goal as it's supposed to provide solutions to common local community services like forums, weblogs, news sites, planets, emails and newsgroups, but we do not have anything ready and I can provide you more details on the plan not earlier than one month from now. So if you want to provide a solution for today, I'm not a help for you, and I didn't think about news group schemes we could use for communities, but whatever you'll come with will be ok for me and I'll just use it as an offer for other communities :)
Gandalf: your project is finished now, right? Can Michael get in touch with you if he still would like Esperanto discussion facilities? Gerv
Yes! Michael, can you take a look at https://wiki.mozilla.org/MCS and let me know if you have any questions or need support :)
Great :-) Gerv
Status: UNCONFIRMED → RESOLVED
Closed: 16 years ago
Resolution: --- → WONTFIX
Re Comment 16: Zbigniew, I don't know how this wiki for the Mozilla Communities Sites Project shall help me. I asked for new newsgroups.
Michael: I'm sorry, I was sure that we switched the plan from a newsgroup to a community portal (with which MCS should help). In this case, I think we should reopen the bug and wait for Gerv's plan :)
Gandalf: I was under the impression that MCS was a "community in a box" - it provided all that a community might need, including discussion forums. Was I wrong about that? Gerv
Gerv: it does include community forums, what it does not include is newsgroup solution. We did not coordinate any plan on how to build a policy on getting a newsgroup for a new community and that's why its not listed on MCS site. From what I see, Michael is requesting a newsgroup and I have no way to help him with this yet :(
Michael: are (presumably web-based) community forums OK, or do you particularly want newsgroups? If so, why? Gerv
I think newsgroups are a simplier way. The GUI of the forum client (e.g. phpBB) should be translated into Esperanto; forum clients in English and other national languages are existing. I intend to offer a special place for Esperantists where they can find support/help in Esperanto. And besides, I hope to spread Mozilla software in this way.
Gandalf: presumably MCS can be localized? How much work is it? Gerv
Gervase: Maybe you misunderstood me. I meant translation of a forum client, of a forum tool. MCS is a big wiki project, its localization can be a far aim only. But I could translate e.g. phpBB.
Michael: we now have mozilla.community.india and mozilla.community.philippines so I see no reason we couldn't have a mozilla.community.esperanto. I realise you've been sent from pillar to post on this one but if you still want a group, I'll set the creation process in motion. Gerv
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