Closed Bug 449797 Opened 16 years ago Closed 16 years ago

Create redirect for domain mozilla.de which will forward to mozilla-europe.org

Categories

(mozilla.org Graveyard :: Server Operations, task)

Product:
mozilla.org Graveyard
Component:
Server Operations
Type:
task
Priority:
Not set
Severity:
normal

Tracking

(Not tracked)

Status:
VERIFIED FIXED

People

(Reporter: whimboo, Assigned: justdave)

References

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Details

Some month ago the domain mozilla.de was obtained by Mozilla and is in an unused state right now. When opening the website you will be redirected to the DENIC.

We should better have a redirect to http://www.mozilla-europe.org/de where the German pages are located at the moment. This will only be a temporary solution until the decision is finalized how to better use this domain.
Probably want to move this over to Mark Monitor - Justin?
Assignee: server-ops → justin
(For the record, this has both my and William's approval.)
We don't own this domain...someone who used are address owns it:


Name:  Anthonia Zimmermann
Organisation:  c/o RAe Lovells LLP
Address:  Warburgstraße 50
Postal code:  20354
City:  Hamburg
Country:  DE

Unless someone knows that person to get it transferred to us, can't do much here.
Justin, as what I know its the German contact we needed to made the transfer of the domain. I've sent the last information I have from Catherine Brady to William. I hope that he can get information about the current state and how we can proceed.
Assignee: justin → server-ops
William, any news from your side about the current status? I would be fantastic to have at least the redirect to Mozilla Europe. I hope you have gotten my message with all the needed information.
Yes, i'm trying to get in touch with Anthonia Zimmermann. I'll keep you posted.
While the administrative contact is Anthonia, MoCo seems to be the domain holder...

Domain holder

The domain holder is DENIC's contractual partner and hence holds the material rights to the domain.

Domain holder: 	Mozilla Corporation
Address: 	1981 Landings Drive, Building K
Postal code: 	94043-0801
City: 	Mountain View California
Country: 	US

Administrative contact

The administrative contact (admin-c) is the natural person appointed by the domain holder to act as his/her authorized representative and who also has the duty towards DENIC of taking binding decisions in all matters concerning the domain mozilla.de.

Name: 	Anthonia Zimmermann
Address: 	c/o RAe Lovells LLP, Alstertor 21
Postal code: 	20095
City: 	Hamburg
Country: 	DE

Looks like the domain is through DENICdirect... The directions at http://www.denic.de/en/domains/denicdirect/providerwechsel_weg/index.html state that we (Mozilla) should initiate a transfer of the domain, which will cause some paperwork to be generated that will need to be signed by Anthonia, I guess.
Reed, do you need any help or will Mozilla manage it by contacting Anthonia directly?
(In reply to comment #8)
> Reed, do you need any help or will Mozilla manage it by contacting Anthonia
> directly?

I was just offering a hopefully helpful comment. I don't deal with buying/managing domains at Mozilla, so somebody else will have to actually do what I mentioned above.
I contacted Catherine Brady last week so that she can get in touch with Anthonia with whom she's exchanged several emails already. If i don't hear back from Catherine tomorrow (Monday) i will ping her again.
Whiteboard: Waiting on domain ownership
The whois record provided by DENIC doesn't indicate whether the domain is locked or not as far as I can tell.  If someone can verify with Anthonia that the domain is unlocked, I can initiate the domain transfer.  Please assign this back to server-ops when it's ready for us to do something.
Assignee: server-ops → cbrady
(In reply to comment #11)
> The whois record provided by DENIC doesn't indicate whether the domain is
> locked or not as far as I can tell.  If someone can verify with Anthonia that
> the domain is unlocked, I can initiate the domain transfer.

Can we just try it? If it's locked, it's not going to let you transfer it. If it's not locked, it'll initiate the transfer...
Dear All, 

I am Anthonia Zimmermann, the Admin C of the domain mozilla.de. I am an attorney at Lovells LLP, the law firm handling Mozilla's German legal matters. I am currently the Admin C for mozilla.de because a year ago (!) I managed to get the domain transferred from a non authorized third person. Since then, I have been in contact with Catherine Brady, asking her to name a German Admin C from within Mozilla. So far this hasn't happened, so it's still me. 

There is URGENT need for action now. The DENIC DIRECT invoice of 23 September, which has been sent to Mozilla's headquarters, has not yet been paid and no provider change has yet been initiated. DENIC just phoned me this morning to say that the domain will be CANCELLED if one of these two steps is not taken within the next week. 

Please urgently effect a provider change. The person responsible for Mozilla at DENIC is Mrs. Dagmar Zäuner, ask for her at the central telephone desk: 0049-69- 27 23 50. All DENIC staff speak good English. 

I can't stress enough how important this is. We have managed to obtain the domain for Mozilla long ago, but it has been empty ever since. This not only makes a bad impression but has also prompted unknown third parties to try and illegally obtain the domain through an unauthorized provider change. A criminal investigation into this fraudulous attempt is currently ongoing here at the Hamburg police and criminal prosecution. 

I sent numerous emails explaining the current need for action. So far I have not received any response. One of you now urgently ought to get in touch with me, please: 

anthonia.zimmermann@lovells.com
0049 - 40 - 41993 - 221

Thanks and best regards, 
Anthonia

Anthonia Zimmermann, MJur (Oxford)
Rechtsanwältin 
---------------
Lovells LLP
Alstertor 21
20095 Hamburg
 
Direct:  +49 (0) 40 419 93-221 
Fax: +49 (0) 40 419 93-200 
Email: anthonia.zimmermann@lovells.com 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Anthonia, many thanks for your answer. That was really helpful and I would drive it forward as best as I can now.

I had a call with Mrs. Zäuner and got some useful information. So what we have to do ASAP is to find a new provider for this domain. To shorten this time I would propose to be the provider on my own. I'm already doing this stuff since a couple of years.

If the Mozilla Corp. agrees we could initiate the transfer. Further I have to know who will be the holder of this domain. Will this still be Mozilla Corp or can it be changed?

We have two possibilities here:

Holder:  Mozilla Corp.
Admin-C: Henrik Skupin

Holder:  Henrik Skupin
Admin-C: Mozilla Corp.

Personally I would tend to the second option because any legal issues will be forwarded to Mozilla Corp.

But anyway we need an urgent answer from someone who is authorized at Mozilla Corp. Catherine or anyone else please give feedback ASAP. Otherwise all the tedious work, Anthonia did a year ago, would be useless.
Holder and owner should always be Mozilla Corp. This way, the trademark rights, company name rights and domain name rights are synchronized with one and the same right owner.
Domain Transfer order has been submitted.

Our DNS servers are already serving this domain, and Mozilla Europe's webserver appears to properly serve content when requests for this domain are given to it (although it currently gives you English content instead of German)
Assignee: cbrady → justdave
Whiteboard: Waiting on domain ownership → transfer pending
the redirect should be to mozilla-europe.org/de/ and not to the root of the domain, otherwise you will see the site in your browser's preferred language, English for you Dave.
(In reply to comment #17)
> the redirect should be to mozilla-europe.org/de/ and not to the root of the
> domain, otherwise you will see the site in your browser's preferred language,
> English for you Dave.

There is no redirect, it's pointing at your IP.  So it goes wherever you redirect it to. :)  If you're redirecting based on preferred language then they'll probably get /de/.  I'm guessing you assume English if there's no preference given by the browser (I used curl on the command line to test it).
yes, English is the fallback if there is no preferred locale. Mozilla Europe domain and server is now managed by Mozilla corp, so I guess you know better then us where it points to now ;)

If it is possible to have the domain mozilla.de to point directly to the mozilla-europe.org/de/ folder, that's better, not a big problem if it doesn't though.
Please kindly let me know if and how I need to step in as Admin-C. Will Mozilla directly contact its preferred provider, so that the provider will arrange for the provider change with DENIC and I will be contacted by DENIC to give my consent? Or would you want me to arrange for the provider change. The former option is easier. Just let me know, since time is of the essence! Thanks, Anthonia
Our registrar (MarkMonitor) has been asked to transfer the domain.  They should be contacting DENIC, and DENIC will probably contact you for consent.
(In reply to comment #19)
> Mozilla Europe domain and server is now managed by Mozilla corp, so I guess
> you know better then us where it points to now ;)

It's currently pointed at 212.23.177.143.  We don't own that IP, but that IP does appear to be serving mozilla-europe.org content.  www.mozilla-europe.org does not point at that IP, it points at one of our servers.  I suspect the zone file used for all the domains that redirect to mozilla-europe.org got missed when it moved under our roof.
Great news Dave! And it's good to hear that the transfer is pending and you have a provider. To enhance the process it's also possible that Anthonia can already send a formless fax to the DENIC which informs about the new provider. In that way the transfer could immediately started when MarkMonitor has asked for the transfer.
Any news about the ongoing process?
(In reply to comment #24)
> Any news about the ongoing process?

I just received a phonecall from DENIC - they have effected the provider change 
Best regards, 
Anthonia
w00t.

Domain:      mozilla.de
Domain-Ace:  mozilla.de
Nserver:     ns1.mozilla.org
Nserver:     ns2.mozilla.org
Status:      connect
Changed:     2008-10-15T22:20:45+02:00

$ host www.mozilla.de
www.mozilla.de is an alias for mozilla.de.
mozilla.de has address 212.23.177.143
mozilla.de mail is handled by 10 mail.mozilla-europe.org.
Status: NEW → RESOLVED
Closed: 16 years ago
Resolution: --- → FIXED
Whiteboard: transfer pending
Fantastic news! Really thanks to everyone who was involved in this process. And sorry that it was such a long way, Anthonia! Really, really thank you!

The DNS servers don't deliver the correct IP address (will take some time), so www.mozilla.de still points to the DENIC. But anyway http://mozilla.de works but it's not redirected. Instead the URL shows http://mozilla.de/de/ instead of http://www.mozilla-europe.org/de. Even the page promotes Firefox 2. So I believe there is something wrong with the redirect. Dave can you please re-check? Reopening the bug meanwhile.
Status: RESOLVED → REOPENED
Resolution: FIXED → ---
mozilla.de should not point to  212.23.177.143 which is our old
server in Europe before the migration to mozilla corp infra, but to
63.245.213.33 which is where www.mozilla-europe.org lives and preferably to
http://www.mozilla-europe.org/de/.

This old server has outdated content and still offers Firefox 2, that's a bug that should be fixed actually, mozilla-europe.org should point to the same IP as www.mozilla-europe.org
Yeah, I was noticing that actually...  we have a "redirects-to-mozilla-europe.org" zone file that has a whole mess of domains using it.  We'll need to set up an IP here to replicate that functionality I think.
OK, should be all fixed now.

$ host www.mozilla.de
www.mozilla.de is an alias for mozilla.de.
mozilla.de has address 63.245.213.39
mozilla.de mail is handled by 10 mail.mozilla-europe.org.

For the record, that repointed the following domains (and the same with www. in front) :

mozillaeurope.org
mozillaworld.net
mozillaworld.com
mozilla-world.net
mozilla-world.com
mozilla-france.org
mozilla.de
funnyfox.net
Status: REOPENED → RESOLVED
Closed: 16 years ago → 16 years ago
Resolution: --- → FIXED
That looks much better. Thanks Dave.

;; ANSWER SECTION:
www.mozilla.de.		600	IN	CNAME	mozilla.de.
mozilla.de.		594	IN	A	63.245.213.39

;; ANSWER SECTION:
mozilla.de.		600	IN	MX	10 mail.mozilla-europe.org.

=> Verified.
Status: RESOLVED → VERIFIED
Product: mozilla.org → mozilla.org Graveyard
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