Please QA /en-US/firefox/all-1.html

VERIFIED FIXED

Status

VERIFIED FIXED
10 years ago
5 years ago

People

(Reporter: lmesa, Assigned: stephend)

Tracking

Firefox Tracking Flags

(Not tracked)

Details

(URL)

Attachments

(7 attachments, 1 obsolete attachment)

(Reporter)

Description

10 years ago
Please QA /en-US/firefox/all-1.html which can be found at 

https://www-trunk.stage.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/all-1.html Thanks!
(Assignee)

Comment 1

10 years ago
Created attachment 362325 [details]
Screenshot of major IE 6 layout issue
(Assignee)

Comment 2

10 years ago
(In reply to comment #1)
> Created an attachment (id=362325) [details]
> Screenshot of major IE 6 layout issue

Happens with IE 7 too.
(Assignee)

Updated

10 years ago
Summary: Please QA Please QA /en-US/firefox/all-1.html → Please QA /en-US/firefox/all-1.html
(Assignee)

Comment 3

10 years ago
Hi again Marco - would love to have your feedback on this page's accessibility too, thanks!

Comment 4

10 years ago
One big issue: All the native language names such as "íslenska" get the default @lang attribute assigned. They should, for best screen reader interaction, get an @lang attribute that specifies the language in use. Otherwise, screen readers will pronounce the words in English, which sounds rather terrible for native speakers in most cases. Worse, for some Unicode characters like cyrillic etc, they won't speak it at all in English, but would if that was marked up correctly, since users speaking those languages usually have a synthesizer that is capable of speaking that particular language.
Created attachment 362585 [details] [diff] [review]
add lang property to language headings

(In reply to comment #1)
> Created an attachment (id=362325) [details]
> Screenshot of major IE 6 layout issue

I've got the giant layout issue fixed, but it has been replaced with a smaller layout issue in IE6/7 (some of the locales are weirdly floated). Still working on that.

Re: comment #4. I've added the lang property to the h3 tags. Does that do the trick? Patch attached for Wil.
Attachment #362585 - Flags: review?(clouserw)
(Assignee)

Updated

10 years ago
OS: Windows XP → All
Hardware: x86 → All

Updated

10 years ago
Attachment #362585 - Flags: review?(clouserw) → review+
Comment on attachment 362585 [details] [diff] [review]
add lang property to language headings

r22316
Created attachment 362819 [details] [diff] [review]
Patch to fix float clearing in IE

Another patch (sorry Wil) to add a hacky workaround for IE float clearing layout issues.
Attachment #362819 - Flags: review?(clouserw)
Comment on attachment 362819 [details] [diff] [review]
Patch to fix float clearing in IE

r22334
Attachment #362819 - Flags: review?(clouserw) → review+
Thanks Wil. Stephen, the layout should be working in IE now.
(Assignee)

Comment 10

10 years ago
Created attachment 363028 [details]
Screenshot of IE 6 with missing Windows icons
(In reply to comment #10)
> Created an attachment (id=363028) [details]
> Screenshot of IE 6 with missing Windows icons

Fixed in trunk in r22415.
(Assignee)

Comment 12

10 years ago
Marco, are there remaining accessibility issues?
(Assignee)

Comment 13

10 years ago
Created attachment 363953 [details]
Screenshot of "Other Systems and Languages" white text

Steven, can we move the nav up a bit so that the "Other Systems and Languages" text has a little more contract?
(In reply to comment #13)
> Steven, can we move the nav up a bit so that the "Other Systems and Languages"
> text has a little more contract?

I've moved the background image down a bit so there's a bit more contrast behind the bottom of the menu (r22578).
This is scheduled to go out today.  Are there any remaining issues?
(Assignee)

Comment 16

10 years ago
The URLS are now http://download.mozilla.org/?product=firefox-3.0.7&os=linux&lang=zh-TW, which are broken, but I think that's just a product-details thang.
(In reply to comment #16)
> The URLS are now
> http://download.mozilla.org/?product=firefox-3.0.7&os=linux&lang=zh-TW, which
> are broken, but I think that's just a product-details thang.

Yeah, the 3.0.7 product-details landed earlier today but won't be pushed with this.
(Assignee)

Comment 18

10 years ago
As far as I'm concerned, this has been tested and can go live.

Resolving as FIXED.
Status: NEW → RESOLVED
Last Resolved: 10 years ago
Resolution: --- → FIXED

Updated

10 years ago
Blocks: 481239

Comment 19

10 years ago
Galician seems to be in the wrong section, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galicia_(Spain). It should be in the hispania region.

I would have probably taken a map where the region if Island doesn't correspond to it's national debt.

The Indic languages in Asia confuse me.

Is it documented somewhere why which languages show up where?
Some languages' names are capitalized, others are not. I know that at least for Polish the spelling rule is that "polski" being an adjective should be written with lower "p". However, in this context, I think that it should be capitalized, because it's an independent element of the UI.

Besides, this is used inconsistently, e.g. French is capitalized, and it has the same rule regarding adjectives as Polish.
(Assignee)

Comment 21

10 years ago
(In reply to comment #20)
> Some languages' names are capitalized, others are not. I know that at least for
> Polish the spelling rule is that "polski" being an adjective should be written
> with lower "p". However, in this context, I think that it should be
> capitalized, because it's an independent element of the UI.
> 
> Besides, this is used inconsistently, e.g. French is capitalized, and it has
> the same rule regarding adjectives as Polish.

These mirror what's been in production for quite a while now, so are independent of the new changes, but really do appreciate the feedback.

Is this the first time anyone from the localization community/team has seen all-1.html, all-2.html, and all-3.html?  If so, that's a shame, and next time we should get more eyeballs on this earlier.
(In reply to comment #21)

> These mirror what's been in production for quite a while now, so are
> independent of the new changes, but really do appreciate the feedback.

I know, but on the current all.html the text says: "Polish <tab> polski", which actually doesn't look that bad. The two words are close enough to each other to make the case for the latter being written with lower "p". I guess this could be argued for other languages as well. However, on all-1.html "polski" is a major visual element: it's listed before English equivalent "Polish" and looks like a header. In this case it should be capitalized.

> Is this the first time anyone from the localization community/team has seen
> all-1.html, all-2.html, and all-3.html?  If so, that's a shame, and next time
> we should get more eyeballs on this earlier.

Not sure, but since the trunk is LDAP-protected, I would guess so.

Comment 23

10 years ago
(In reply to comment #19)

> 
> Is it documented somewhere why which languages show up where?

As an extra comment, I see diferent map divisions, for instance in Europe, are made from roughly joining different countries along their borders. Is there any plan to be used in conjunction with any kind of GeoIP method?
> Is it documented somewhere why which languages show up where?
There is a document on grouphub with most of the mappings and the rest were determined in comments.  I got the information from Delphine Lebédel and Laura Mesa.

> > Is this the first time anyone from the localization community/team has seen
> > all-1.html, all-2.html, and all-3.html?  If so, that's a shame, and next time
> > we should get more eyeballs on this earlier.
> 
> Not sure, but since the trunk is LDAP-protected, I would guess so.
It isn't.

> As an extra comment, I see diferent map divisions, for instance in Europe, are
> made from roughly joining different countries along their borders. Is there any
> plan to be used in conjunction with any kind of GeoIP method?
Not right now.

Comment 25

10 years ago
(In reply to comment #24)
> > Is it documented somewhere why which languages show up where?
> There is a document on grouphub with most of the mappings and the rest were
> determined in comments.  I got the information from Delphine Lebédel and Laura
> Mesa.
> 

I think you could also include in the European region where France is the following languages: Basque, Catalan and Occitan.

Comment 26

10 years ago
(In reply to comment #21)
> Is this the first time anyone from the localization community/team has seen
> all-1.html, all-2.html, and all-3.html?  If so, that's a shame, and next time
> we should get more eyeballs on this earlier.

Not the first time.  I saw very early mockups and saw them again late last
week.  But, along the way, seems like we needed more visibility as we neared production.

Comment 27

10 years ago
(In reply to comment #25)
> (In reply to comment #24)
> > > Is it documented somewhere why which languages show up where?
> > There is a document on grouphub with most of the mappings and the rest were
> > determined in comments.  I got the information from Delphine Lebédel and Laura
> > Mesa.
> > 
> 
> I think you could also include in the European region where France is the
> following languages: Basque, Catalan and Occitan.

If possible, I would also add German in Eastern Europe region, for instance, German speakers in Romania.

Comment 28

10 years ago
Created attachment 365459 [details]
map incorrectly highlighted for south central asia

 In https://www-trunk.stage.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/all-1.html?c=asia page,the second category lists downloads for local languages of South Central Asia. 

Countries in South Central Asia are:
Afghanistan, Bangladesh, Bhutan, India, Kyrgyzstan, Kazakhstan, Maldives, Nepal, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, and Uzbekistan.

Many of these countries are not highlighted in the map.

8 of the 12 listed languages are Indian and India is not highlighted.That is pretty noticeable.
(Assignee)

Comment 29

10 years ago
Reopening per comment 28; sorry we missed this before.

IMHO, we shouldn't push today with that; thanks for finding that, Krupa.
Status: RESOLVED → REOPENED
Resolution: FIXED → ---
Created attachment 365489 [details]
Updated south-central Asia map

Krupa, is this attached map accurate? Thanks.
Attachment #365489 - Flags: review?(krupa.raj82)
Created attachment 365491 [details]
Updated south-central Asia map
Attachment #365489 - Attachment is obsolete: true
Attachment #365489 - Flags: review?(krupa.raj82)
Attachment #365491 - Flags: review?(krupa.raj82)

Comment 32

10 years ago
Steven:This is much better.I think we are still leaving Maldives out which is a bunch of islands in the Indian ocean.

I am no Geography expert but it looks like we are adding Iran in Central Asia in the new screenshot.

Here is a link to the map maintained by US gov.

http://www.state.gov/p/sca/ci/
https://www-trunk.stage.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/all-1.html?c=north-america

Norwegian locales are listed for North America, I think this is wrong. Also, IMO it is a bit strange to separate Mexico as if it were not in North America and list again all the locales next to it.
Whoa, this is surely gonna cause some political problems.

I can easily imagine people getting angry because of the way you group the languages (e.g.: what does Turkish and Polish have in common? Why is Slovenian in the Western group, while Czech is in the Eastearn one, even though the Czech Republic is geographically more to the West than Slovenia? etc.)

Also, I can't help the fact that this map
https://www-trunk.stage.mozilla.com/img/tignish/firefox/all-1/region-eastern-europe.png
somehow reminds me of the one on the left here:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4c/Ribbentrop-Molotov.svg/750px-Ribbentrop-Molotov.svg.png 

And if I see it this way, try to imagine what the right wing people would feel like...

Also, having a separate section for Central America without a single Central American localization might seem offensive to some people from that region - most of these are locales coming from their former colonial overlords...

Comment 35

10 years ago
I spoke with dbottoms and we are going to hold on pushing this live due to all the constructive feedback that surfaced in this bug.  Thanks everyone.  We will get back to everyone with a next step.  Feel free to ping me if you have questions.

Comment 36

10 years ago
Added dbottoms to the bug.

Comment 37

10 years ago
If you do not mind, I will be a bit polemical :)
I understand we are adding English, as Esperanto, as lingua franca in all World regions.
However, I do not know if both English varieties should be added everywhere. 
For instance, in Europe, as far as I know, British variety is the one used by European Union institutions, and by Mozilla Europe site as well.
Conversely, but logically, we are not adding American varieties of Spanish and Portuguese in Europe.

Comment 38

10 years ago
Please continue to add your comments here.  We will respond to all issues once the team who created the project has a chance to reconnect.  People have been traveling and will return soon.  At that point, we'll be able to gather answers and respond.  Thanks to all for comments so far.

-sethb
(Reporter)

Comment 39

10 years ago
Thank you for all of the comments and suggestions. It would also be very helpful for everyone to look at the other two designs for the all.html page:

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=475760
 and 
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=477278

Please comment by Monday March 9 at 5pm.  I will compile all comments and we will analyze and determine which changes to make in order to implement the tests. 

You can find more information here: https://wiki.mozilla.org/All.html#All.html_Redesign

Comment 40

10 years ago
* Too much mouse clicks in order to get the download begin.
* It is not trivial to locate the operating system switch button. People may download files for the wrong OS in case the script in unable to guess their OS correctly. 
* Geographic knowledge is required in order to download. It may sound strange, but not everyone know on which continent he is, including young childs.

Comment 41

10 years ago
I thought the search box in the top was a select/drop down box, so I started by clicking the arrow with no good result.

I think the page looks much more complex than the old one. It is still very long requiring lots of scrolling, and instead of looking in an alphabetically ordered list of language names, I now first have to look at some maps in some random order, and then I have to look at a list of language names.

It is not obvious to me that each individual map highlights a section of the European map. It took me 10 or 20 seconds to figure out, even through I have seen a mockup of this page some time long ago.

The native name of the language is the most prominent, yet they are sorted by their English name, and it is not obvious if they are sorted rows first or columns first.

I think it is great that there are only download buttons for one platform at a time and that the user's platform is detected. (As long as it is still possible to change the platform)

An earlier comment discussed if both British and US English should be in all categories. If only one should stay, I think it should be US English, as many people where I live prefer to use software in it's "original language", which for Firefox is US English.
My feedback:
* "Other Versions: Firefox 2.0.0.20"
-> I would call it "older version" and singular

* Indian languages are not associated to India but to the Kazhakstan area
* Some maps don't look totally geographically correct, India is too small for example, France and Italy look a bit merged, it looks like the Caspian and Black sea were merged too, Saudi Arabia is too thin...
* Norwegian shouldn't be listed in North America
* listing Danish in North America (for Greenland I guess) and Spanish in Africa (for the cities of Ceuta and Melilla?) is a bit stretched in my opinion
* it is strange to me that Mexico isn't included in North America but Greenland is.

I also agree with most of what said above, I think it looks nice but it is less usable than the current solution because it takes more clicks to get to your language
(Assignee)

Comment 43

10 years ago
All blocking issues have been resolved and verified; we're ready to go live with this all-1, all-2, all-3 test.

We'll verify this bug when all pages have been pushed live.
Status: REOPENED → RESOLVED
Last Resolved: 10 years ago10 years ago
Resolution: --- → FIXED
verified
Status: RESOLVED → VERIFIED
Component: www.mozilla.org/firefox → www.mozilla.org
Product: Websites → Websites
Component: www.mozilla.org → General
Product: Websites → www.mozilla.org
Attachment #365491 - Flags: review?(krupa.mozbugs)
You need to log in before you can comment on or make changes to this bug.