Should users be able to tag Live Bookmarks?

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RESOLVED INACTIVE
10 years ago
3 months ago

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10 years ago
Recently asked in email why you can't tag a live bookmark.  Here is my response:

I think what happened here is that we didn't want to allow users to be able to tag folders, because both tags and folders are in themselves ways to collect things, and collecting your collections started to feel overly meta.  Also, we wanted to introduce tags as an alternative to folders, as opposed to another layer of complexity for users who already have ridiculously complicated hierarchies.

So this decision probably carried over to smart bookmarks (which are conceptually represented as folders), although I don't think we ever really thought about that case specifically.

So questions become, should users be able to tag live bookmarks, and as a broader question, should users be able to tag folders?
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10 years ago
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and my question is why? To better find them?
a folder title is somehow already a way to synthetize contained informations, and tags are an alternative way to organize informations.
I think the question to being able to tag folders comes principally by the lack of a way to search for folders, all of our search fields are uri-related, none of them can find a folder.
And if the purpose is to better organize tagged items, then we should instead provide a filtering view, where i write tag1 and i get the list of items with tag1 but also a list of other tags applied on items tagged with tag1, dietrich had posted a filtering pane for tags mockup time ago iirc.

Comment 2

10 years ago
I was the author of the original email requesting this feature. Let me try to explain why it would be useful. One reason I really tags is that I can have bookmarks appear in multiple smart folders. For example, my bookmark for a certain ski resort's snow report has the following tags: 'skiing', 'weather', 'utah', & 'resort'. So, I have a smart folder called 'Ski Weather' that grabs anything with the tags 'skiing' and 'weather'. I have another smart folder called 'Ski Resorts' that grabs anything with 'skiing' and 'resort'. And so on. It's very handy.

But the problem is that there's no way to incorporate live bookmarks into this system. For example, there is a website called AlpineZone Forums where skiers can post personal reports on recent conditions at ski resorts. I'd like this live bookmark to appear in my 'Ski Weather' smart folder, but there's no way to do this, as I can't tag a live bookmark.

Now, when I mention this problem, I usually get the following response: just tag the main site URL for AlpineZone (instead of the live bookmark). But this misses the point. The advantage of live bookmarks is precisely that you can see what the new content is (and whether it looks worth reading) without actually going to the site. To put the point another way, for many users of Firefox, live bookmarks REPLACE the main site URLS (when they're available), so not being able to tag these live bookmarks is a loss of functionality. Since tags and live bookmarks are both key features of Firefox, it seems like it would be a good thing if they could play together.
well i think what you would like is not to tag the live bookmark but being able to OR 2 queries, one for tagged items, and one for that livemark contents.
An advanced build should allow creating such an advanced query, that we should support.

Btw, we should avoid confusing a livemark (the container) with its children, children of a livemark are not to be considered bookmarks, and won't never be taggable because they're changing frequently.

Comment 4

10 years ago
(In reply to comment #3)
> well i think what you would like is not to tag the live bookmark but being able
> to OR 2 queries, one for tagged items, and one for that livemark contents.
> An advanced build should allow creating such an advanced query, that we should
> support.
> 
> Btw, we should avoid confusing a livemark (the container) with its children,
> children of a livemark are not to be considered bookmarks, and won't never be
> taggable because they're changing frequently.

Yes, I certainly don't wish to tag the children of a livemark -- for precisely the reason you mention. It's the container that I'm concerned about. I just want the livemark folder (i.e., the container) to be taggable, so that it can appear in my various saved searches.

Comment 5

10 years ago
When I first started using Firefox 3 I was surprised that livemarks (containers) couldn't be tagged.  As a user I was not concerned with the deep, dark metaphysics of whether livemarks are folders and whether folders should be taggable.  I don't care if they're folders or how they're implemented at all.  I tag Places on the web so that I can recall them easily.  Livemarks are Places on the web.  I should be able to tag them, too.

Comment 6

3 months ago
Per policy at https://wiki.mozilla.org/Bug_Triage/Projects/Bug_Handling/Bug_Husbandry#Inactive_Bugs. If this bug is not an enhancement request or a bug not present in a supported release of Firefox, then it may be reopened.
Status: NEW → RESOLVED
Last Resolved: 3 months ago
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