492600 - [es-CL] Search engine setup for Firefox 3.5 for Spanish (Chile).

Status: RESOLVED FIXED

(Mozilla Localizations :: es-CL / Spanish (Chile), defect)

Description

[Axel Hecht [:Pike]]

We want to ship Firefox 3.5 a good list of search engines for Spanish (Chile). 

We're going to work towards this in three phases. First, the localization team and Stas (Stas Malolepszy) will look at the market for the language and come up with a good set of search providers. Emilio, we'll need your input on this, the guidelines for making recommendations are on http://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox_web_services_guidelines. 

For en-US, we currently use this set, to which we can fall back in the case of lacking localized alternatives:
Google, Yahoo, Amazon, Answers, CC, eBay, Wikipedia

After we decided on a particular search engine, Stas will contact the owner and ask for permission, and for specifics like proper search flags. undefined, we'll likely need your help to at least get the contact information.

Once we have a specification on what the searchengines for Spanish (Chile) should look like, the localization team and Stas will work on an implementation on that. This should happen by the localization team creating and attaching patches for the desired changes, and requesting review from Stas. After a successful review, the localization team will land them.

I expect that there are some lessons to be learned from the other Spanishs in Latin-America, Stas?

Please don't commit any modifications in browser/searchplugins to the hg repository without a patch reviewed by Stas, Axel or someone else appointed by Stas or SethB. The data here is sensitive to users and our search partners, thus the extra care here.

Comment 1

[Staś Małolepszy :stas]

Emilio, ping? 

This bug is a beta-blocker for es-CL, which means that we can't release a beta release of es-CL without fixing this bug. This is because removing search engines from already created profiles is not easy. 

Since es-CL is green on 1.9.1, I think it would be great to be able to release it as a beta in 3.5 rc1. The idea that I have is to include only a minimal set of search engines that we're sure we won't want to remove afterwards, and then discuss other possible choices after the beta release.

Search engines that I'm proposing for this minimal set are: Google, Wikipedia (es) and Creative Commons. We would have to land them before this Wednesday's code freeze.

Emilio, please let me know what you think. I'll be happy to provide more explanations if needed, so don't hesitate to respond in this with questions and comments.

Comment 2

[Emilio Sepulveda]

Stas, pong!

These are my suggestions for search engines for es-CL:

- Generic search plugins: Google (http://www.google.cl/) - Yahoo! (http://cl.yahoo.com/)
- Specific interest: Wikipedia-es / Creative Commons
- Others: MercadoLibre (http://www.mercadolibre.cl)

Comment 3

[Staś Małolepszy :stas]

Great, thanks Emilio. We'll have to contact Mercado Libre before we can include their search plugin. I believe that we have already reached out to them once, so let me check with people handling that communication on Mozilla's side first.

All other suggestions are OK. Google should autodetect the language, so no need to make it "google.cl" specifically. google.com should be good enough. Can you confirm this, please?

I'm not sure what parameters to use for cl.yahoo.com. I think that simply replacing search.yahoo.com with cl.search.yahoo.com should do the trick. Let me check with Kev if we have any specific instructions on this.

We can copy wikipedia-es from the es-ES version, I guess. That would save us some work.

I see that you're proposing to remove both Amazon and eBay (and replace them with Mercado Libre). Any other e-commerce site that we could use? We usually try to have two e-commerce plug-ins in the build. But one will do as well, of course.

Can you please create a patch and attach it to this bug? Please leave Mercado Libre out for now (we'll work on it right after the code freeze for RC1) and use cl.search.yahoo.com. Let me know if you need any assistance with that.

Thanks, Emilio!

Comment 4

[Emilio Sepulveda]

Attachment: Searchplugin initial patch (es-CL)

Comment 5

[Emilio Sepulveda]

(In reply to comment #3)


> All other suggestions are OK. Google should autodetect the language, so no need
> to make it "google.cl" specifically. google.com should be good enough. Can you
> confirm this, please?
Yes, Google searchplugin redirects to Google.cl

> 
> I see that you're proposing to remove both Amazon and eBay (and replace them
> with Mercado Libre). Any other e-commerce site that we could use? We usually
> try to have two e-commerce plug-ins in the build. But one will do as well, of
> course.

I could add DeRemate (http://www.deremate.cl), Zimio (http://www.zimio.com) and keep Amazon.

Comment 6

[Staś Małolepszy :stas]

Comment on attachment 378480 [details] [diff] [review]
Searchplugin initial patch (es-CL)

Thanks Emilio, that's a good try. However, please "hg rm" google.xml and creativecommons.xml from your searchplugins/ directory. They will be pulled from en-US anyways, so there's no need of including them here. Mentioning them in list.txt is enough.

The wikipedia plug-in looks good.

For Yahoo, can you please remove them for now? I'm sorry, I know that I previously asked you to include them using "cl.search.yahoo.com". I would prefer however to wait for their reply before we include them. Sorry for the confusion.

So the end list for now should be:

* Google
* Creative Commons
* Wikipedia (es)

We will work on other plug-in right after the RC1 code freeze. I just want to make sure es-CL can participate in RC1, and we need *some* search engines for this. Thanks for understanding.

Comment 7

[Emilio Sepulveda]

Attachment: [checked in] Searchplugin patch v2 (Google, Creative Commons, Wikipedia-es)

Comment 8

[Staś Małolepszy :stas]

Comment on attachment 378525 [details] [diff] [review]
[checked in] Searchplugin patch v2 (Google, Creative Commons, Wikipedia-es)

r=me. Please land this patch using a descriptive check-in comment, mentioning the bug number and my review (e.g. "Bug 492600: Search plug-in setup, initial landing of Google, Creative Commons and Wikipedia (es), r=stas").

I'm leaving this bug open so that we can work on other search plug-ins previously mentioned and add them after the RC1. Emilio, thanks again for this patch.

Comment 9

[Staś Małolepszy :stas]

Comment on attachment 378525 [details] [diff] [review]
[checked in] Searchplugin patch v2 (Google, Creative Commons, Wikipedia-es)

Looks like this has landed: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/l10n-mozilla-1.9.1/es-CL/rev/31f56b742da0

Thanks, Emilio. Let's continue to work in this bug on other search engines for es-CL.

Comment 10

[Seth Bindernagel]

(In reply to comment #9)
> (From update of attachment 378525 [details] [diff] [review])
> Looks like this has landed:
> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/l10n-mozilla-1.9.1/es-CL/rev/31f56b742da0
> 
> Thanks, Emilio. Let's continue to work in this bug on other search engines for
> es-CL.

Emilio, ping.  Have you bee able to research other search engines for es-CL?

Comment 11

[Emilio Sepulveda]

(In reply to comment #10)
> (In reply to comment #9)
> > (From update of attachment 378525 [details] [diff] [review] [details])
> > Looks like this has landed:
> > http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/l10n-mozilla-1.9.1/es-CL/rev/31f56b742da0
> > 
> > Thanks, Emilio. Let's continue to work in this bug on other search engines for
> > es-CL.
> 
> Emilio, ping.  Have you bee able to research other search engines for es-CL?

Seth, pong. 

My (final?) list are the following:

- The searchplugins already landed.
- Yahoo! Search (cl.search.yahoo.com)
- Gibbio (gibbio.com). Community website like Yahoo! Answers.
- Mercado Libre Chile (mercadolibre.cl)
- Amazon
- Diccionario RAE (Dictionary, already included in es-AR and es-ES locales).


Other possible candidates:
- Amarillas.cl (Yellow pages)
- Tugar! (http://www.tugar.net). Real estate rental & sale directory.
- Gaaper (http://www.gaaper.com) Financial information and social networking website for investors.
- Facebook search?

Comment 12

[Seth Bindernagel]

Thanks.  Stas returns today/tomorrow.  We typically have only 6 search engines per locale so we might offer a subset of this list.   Let us do a quick evaluation and then get back to you ASAP.  The list looks a little bit long.

Comment 13

[Axel Hecht [:Pike]]

Stas, Seth, this needs a decision on the proposed search plugins from comment 11.

Comment 14

[Staś Małolepszy :stas]

A couple of thoughts below.

(In reply to comment #11) 
> My (final?) list are the following:
> 
> - The searchplugins already landed.
> - Yahoo! Search (cl.search.yahoo.com)
> - Gibbio (gibbio.com). Community website like Yahoo! Answers.

We will need to contact them in order to ask for their permission. However, with Google, Wikipedia and CC already landed, the list have 8 engines now. Maybe we could reconsdier adding this engine? Do you think our users will really want to  _search_ such website? It looks like a cool community website, maybe we could link to from the Getting Started's Connect tab instead?

> - Mercado Libre Chile (mercadolibre.cl)

We have the permission and the parameters now, we will update this bug with details.

> - Amazon

Is this amazon.com or another one? Do we still need this now that we know that we can easily have Mercado Libre?

> - Diccionario RAE (Dictionary, already included in es-AR and es-ES locales).

So we only need to take the plugin file from one of these locales. Perfect!


> 
> Other possible candidates:
> - Amarillas.cl (Yellow pages)

This sounds like a good candidate to consider for Fennec es-CL :)

> - Tugar! (http://www.tugar.net). Real estate rental & sale directory.
> - Gaaper (http://www.gaaper.com) Financial information and social networking
> website for investors.

I think I like the suggestions above better.

> - Facebook search?

Facebook is a closed network, which makes a search engine a bit trickier to do, both from the user experience point of view (what does it do if the user isn't logged in?), and from an ideological one (Mozilla is all about openness). I'd prefer to steer clear from it for now.

Comment 15

[Emilio Sepulveda]

(In reply to comment #14)
> A couple of thoughts below.
> 
> (In reply to comment #11) 
> > My (final?) list are the following:
> > 
> > - The searchplugins already landed.
> > - Yahoo! Search (cl.search.yahoo.com)
> > - Gibbio (gibbio.com). Community website like Yahoo! Answers.
> 
> We will need to contact them in order to ask for their permission. However,
> with Google, Wikipedia and CC already landed, the list have 8 engines now.
> Maybe we could reconsdier adding this engine? Do you think our users will
> really want to  _search_ such website? It looks like a cool community website,
> maybe we could link to from the Getting Started's Connect tab instead?

OK. We could discard Gibbio and Yahoo! Search in this case.
> 
> > - Mercado Libre Chile (mercadolibre.cl)
> 
> We have the permission and the parameters now, we will update this bug with
> details.
> > - Amazon
> Is this amazon.com or another one? Do we still need this now that we know that
> we can easily have Mercado Libre?


Cool. MercadoLibre is widely used, so we could discard Amazon from the engines list.

> 
> > - Diccionario RAE (Dictionary, already included in es-AR and es-ES locales).
> 
> So we only need to take the plugin file from one of these locales. Perfect!
> 
> 
> > 
> > Other possible candidates:
> > - Amarillas.cl (Yellow pages)
> 
> This sounds like a good candidate to consider for Fennec es-CL :)

I've filed a bug for get Fennec es-CL on L10n Dashboard. (Currently we haven't an official Fennec localization). See bug 581248. 
> 
> > - Tugar! (http://www.tugar.net). Real estate rental & sale directory.
> > - Gaaper (http://www.gaaper.com) Financial information and social networking
> > website for investors.
> 
> I think I like the suggestions above better.
We could discard them too.

> 
> > - Facebook search?
> 
> Facebook is a closed network, which makes a search engine a bit trickier to do,
> both from the user experience point of view (what does it do if the user isn't
> logged in?), and from an ideological one (Mozilla is all about openness). I'd
> prefer to steer clear from it for now.

Agreed.

Comment 16

[Seth Bindernagel]

Attachment: Mercado Libre es-CL patch

This adds the Mercado Libre search plugin to es-CL.  Flagging Pike for a review since :stas is on vacation.

Comment 17

[Seth Bindernagel]

(In reply to comment #16)
> Created attachment 460846 [details] [diff] [review]
> Mercado Libre es-CL patch
> 
> This adds the Mercado Libre search plugin to es-CL.  Flagging Pike for a review
> since :stas is on vacation.

I tested this plugin on Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; xx-XX; rv:1.9.2.8) Gecko/20100722 Firefox/3.6.8

Comment 18

[Axel Hecht [:Pike]]

Comment on attachment 460846 [details] [diff] [review]
Mercado Libre es-CL patch

r=me with a nit, move the 
<Param name="go"
element all in one line? Seems your editor like a line wrap there, which makes this xml look less like the one we have for es-AR.

Comment 19

[Seth Bindernagel]

Attachment: Mercado Libre es-CL patch

Cleans up the XML a bit.

Comment 20

[Seth Bindernagel]

(In reply to comment #19)
> Created attachment 460855 [details] [diff] [review]
> Mercado Libre es-CL patch

Emilio:  Please land the Mercado Libre patch using a descriptive check-in comment, mentioning the bug number and Pike's review (e.g. "Bug 492600: Search plug-in setup, landing of Mercado Libre, r=Pike").

Comment 21

[Seth Bindernagel]

Attachment: Mercado Libre and Yahoo! es-CL patch

Added Yahoo Chile search plugin to the Mercado Libre patch so we can take care of the search plugins all at once.

Successfully tested the Yahoo search plugin in Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; xx-XX; rv:1.9.2.8) Gecko/20100722 Firefox/3.6.8.

Comment 22

[Axel Hecht [:Pike]]

Comment on attachment 460865 [details] [diff] [review]
Mercado Libre and Yahoo! es-CL patch

r-, I assume that we want Yahoo to be second?

Then the ShortName in yahoo-cl.xml needs to match region.properties's browser.search.order.2.

Comment 23

[Seth Bindernagel]

Attachment: Mercado Libre and Yahoo! es-CL patch

Nice catch, Pike. 

Corrected the <ShortName> in the Yahoo XML file to just "Yahoo" in order to match the region.properties file.

Comment 24

[Seth Bindernagel]

Attachment: Mercado Libre and Yahoo! es-CL patch

Pike notices a trailing /cl in the prior patch in line 9.  This last version should correct all minor errors.

Successfully tested on Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel
Mac OS X 10.6; xx-XX; rv:1.9.2.8) Gecko/20100722 Firefox/3.6.8.

Comment 25

[Seth Bindernagel]

Emilio:  Please land this combination Yahoo and  Mercado Libre patch using a descriptive check-in comment, mentioning the bug number and Pike's review (e.g. "Bug 492600: Search plug-in setup, landing of Yahoo and Mercado Libre, r=Pike").

Comment 26

[Emilio Sepulveda]

(In reply to comment #25)
> Emilio:  Please land this combination Yahoo and  Mercado Libre patch using a
> descriptive check-in comment, mentioning the bug number and Pike's review (e.g.
> "Bug 492600: Search plug-in setup, landing of Yahoo and Mercado Libre,
> r=Pike").

Done > http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/l10n-mozilla-1.9.2/es-CL/rev/ca7f2e5a5e6f

Comment 27

[Seth Bindernagel]

It appears that we are close to finishing this bug, with one more plugin needing attention.  Working on this one now.

(In reply to comment #14)
> > - Diccionario RAE (Dictionary, already included in es-AR and es-ES locales).
> 
> So we only need to take the plugin file from one of these locales. Perfect!

Comment 28

[Seth Bindernagel]

Attachment: Diccionario RAE es-CL patch

This is the last of the es-CL search plugins.  Flagging Pike for a review since Stas is on vacation.

Comment 29

[Axel Hecht [:Pike]]

Comment on attachment 461143 [details] [diff] [review]
Diccionario RAE es-CL patch

r=me with newline nits, see irc :-)

Comment 30

[Seth Bindernagel]

Attachment: Diccionario RAE es-CL patch

Emilio:  Carrying through an r+ from Pike.  Please land this Diccionariu RAE patch using a descriptive check-in comment, mentioning the bug number and Pike's review (e.g. "Bug 492600: Search plug-in setup, landing of Diccionariu RAE, r=Pike").

Comment 31

[Emilio Sepulveda]

(In reply to comment #30)
> Created attachment 461276 [details] [diff] [review]
> Diccionario RAE es-CL patch
> 
> Emilio:  Carrying through an r+ from Pike.  Please land this Diccionariu RAE
> patch using a descriptive check-in comment, mentioning the bug number and
> Pike's review (e.g. "Bug 492600: Search plug-in setup, landing of Diccionariu
> RAE, r=Pike").

Seth & Pike: done > http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/l10n-mozilla-1.9.2/es-CL/rev/2ab22576f6f9

Comment 32

[Seth Bindernagel]

Thanks, Emilio.  I think we are done here.

Comment 33

[Staś Małolepszy :stas]

Nice work everyone, thanks!