525877 - Increase number of allowed votes for NSS

Status: RESOLVED WONTFIX

(bugzilla.mozilla.org :: Administration, task)

Description

[Nuno Ponte]

User-Agent:       Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; pt-PT; rv:1.9.2b1) Gecko/20091029 Firefox/3.6b1
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The current limit for NSS bug votes is 25. I think it should be increased.

Reproducible: Always

Comment 1

[Marcia Knous [:marcia]]

What do you think it should be increased to?

Comment 2

[timeless]

you have more than 25 top priorities? are you working on some of them or trying to sponsor someone to do so?

Comment 3

[Nuno Ponte]

In fact, I've reached the 25 votes limit. Compared to other modules, it seems that NSS has relative lower limit. Maybe a comparison of (limit / open issues) for all products can give some hints.
Anyway, if you think this kind of feedback is useless, feel free to close this issue.

Comment 4

[Reed Loden [:reed]]

I think raising it is reasonable. Maybe to 100?

Comment 5

[timeless]

Nuno: there are two ways to use votes:

A. as a way to describe key priorities in the hope that someone will fix them
B. as a way to be a silent voter who wants to be informed about when things are fixed.

in the former system, having more than 25 'top' bugs means something's terribly wrong. you need to become involved either by becoming a developer or sponsoring one.

in the latter system, which is what most products have adopted, you don't care about the priorities and are just being silent. however, as you filed a bug you *probably* done so while believing that voting is type A, by changing this from 25 to 100 or 1000, we're changing voting from A to B.

I personally don't care how voting is used in a given product, however, it isn't really for me to choose, it should be up to the module owners.

In this case, that should be Nelson or another NSS owner. I cc'd nelson when I asked my question. He hasn't responded.

Comment 6

[Nuno Ponte]

I've compiled some statistics about the voting policy across Mozilla's several products. It's available here: http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AthVWkeijNk3dFZiMGJjbFRiX1Z5VVV5S3lRRHZJVXc&hl=en_GB

As you can see, NSS is the product with the most restrictive policy for maximum allowed votes.

Comment 7

[Nelson Bolyard (seldom reads bugmail)]

Timeless: I don't see any question above that is directed to me.

Comment 8

[timeless]

nelson: nuno wants the max vote limit for your product to be raised. i'm not doing that w/o your approval, and i'm not going to pick a number out of a hat, so you'd need to pick one. We could effectively turn off voting by setting the limit to 10,000 or something (some products have this). But it depends on how voting is supposed to be used. is it (a) or (b) from comment 5.

To be in line w/ Firefox product's Bugs/Max Votes you could double your number from 25 to 50 according to nuno's chart (which I feel has no value -- I've provided my own analysis below).

nuno: amusing chart. but hardly relevant. chart me vote usage by users w/o getting banned by the bugzilla admins for abuse.

NSS currently has:
 ~125 open bugs with votes. (ok, 130, but that isn't round)
    2 of which have >5 votes
    2 with 5 votes
    4 with 4 votes
    9 with 3 votes (you can vote for all bugs from here up using your 25 votes)
   26 with 2 votes
   86 with 1 vote

The current vote limit means that for (roughly) each set of 5 bugs with a vote, you can pick one of those bugs and vote for it. You can also vote for all of the top bugs (17), while still voting for 8 bugs of your choice or roughly 1/15 of the remaining bugs.

Firefox currently has:
~4000 open bugs with votes. (ok 3950, but that isn't round either)
    1 with >100 votes
   11 with 51-99 votes
   41 with 26-50 votes
  166 with 11-25 votes
  294 with 6-10 votes
  136 with 5 votes
  205 with 4 votes (you can vote for all bugs from here up using your 1000 votes)
  354 with 3 votes
  696 with 2 votes
 2046 with 1 vote

With 1000 votes, from every 4 bugs with a vote, you can vote for 1 of them. That's roughly on par with NSS (slightly better, but not significantly). With 50 votes, you can vote for nearly all bugs in the 26+ range. To raise to par, we could change the limit from 25 to 32.5 (we could even round up to 33!).

Actually looking to see if people have really voted >x times is probably close to an invasion of privacy/stalking, so I don't think I'll do that.

nuno: i'm still curious as to why you feel the need to vote for >25 bugs. What do you gain by voting? If you just want bugmail, you can cc yourself.

Comment 9

[Daniel Veditz [:dveditz]]

And if you _don't_ want bugmail but want to track certain bugs you can enable the tagging feature (bugzilla preferences) and tag the bugs you care about.

Comment 10

[Daniel Veditz [:dveditz]]

(In reply to comment #6)
> NSS is the product with the most restrictive policy for maximum
> allowed votes.

No rule says all the products have to be set the same. You still haven't answered Timeless's question about why you need more than 25 top NSS priorities.

Comment 11

[timeless]

nelson: if you want this, please feel free to reopen. this is wontfix without a comment from nelson.