[fi] Choose search plug-ins for Fennec in Finnish

RESOLVED FIXED

Status

RESOLVED FIXED
9 years ago
9 years ago

People

(Reporter: sethb, Assigned: ville.pohjanheimo)

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({productization})

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(Not tracked)

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(Whiteboard: [bootstrapped][twitter][yahoo.fi][amazondotcom])

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(Reporter)

Description

9 years ago
You've indicated an interest in participating in the localization of mobile Firefox (aka Fennec). We want to ship Fennec with a good list of search engines for Finnish. As the technical details of implementation are being worked on, we'd like to start the discussion about the choice of search engines. This bug is about agreeing on a set of search engines, and will not tackle the implementation (at least not yet).

First, the localization team and Staś will look at the market for the locale and come up with a good set of search providers. The guidelines for making recommendations are on https://wiki.mozilla.org/L10n:Mobile/Productization. You're welcome to suggest engines already shipped in desktop Firefox for Finnish, if they fit well in the categories outlined on the wiki.

For en-US, we currently use the following set, which may serve as an inspiration:
Google, Wikipedia, Amazon, Yahoo, Twitter.

Note that according to the guidelines, for some categories it may be better to leave them empty than to ship with en engine that's irrelevant or unavailable in your region.

After we decided on a particular search engine, we will need to test it in Fennec. You can test on a mobile device and on the desktop (download the builds from <http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/mobile/nightly/>). Staś will help with testing on a device, too. If the service works fine, Staś will contact the owner and ask for permission, and for specifics like proper search flags. Ville, we'll likely need your help to at least get the contact information if we don't have them already.

We don't know the implementation details yet, so for now, please don't create patches nor land anything. We will keep you posted as we figure out the how's and when's.

Thanks.
(Assignee)

Comment 1

9 years ago
Sounds fine.
Given the current set, my suggestion for these are Google (fi), Wikipedia (fi), Amazon, Yahoo (fi), Twitter, so keep the set but change google, wikipedia and yahoo to their localized versions.

In Firefox I've been /stricter/ with the localization of these, but if you're using N900/N8XX or in general have downloaded a new browser for your mobile device, you're bound to be quite tech-y and the default set should serve you best.

That's my 2 cents.
(Reporter)

Comment 2

9 years ago
(In reply to comment #1)
> Sounds fine.
> Given the current set, my suggestion for these are Google (fi), Wikipedia (fi),
> Amazon, Yahoo (fi), Twitter, so keep the set but change google, wikipedia and
> yahoo to their localized versions.
> 
> In Firefox I've been /stricter/ with the localization of these, but if you're
> using N900/N8XX or in general have downloaded a new browser for your mobile
> device, you're bound to be quite tech-y and the default set should serve you
> best.

Excellent point.  Let's take your suggestions as is.  Stay tuned for either me or Stas for further details.
Created attachment 414667 [details] [diff] [review]
Bootstrapping search engines with Google, localized Wikipedia, Twitter and Yahoo.fi

Here's a patch resetting the mobile/searchplugins/ directory to a minimal set of search engines that we would like to ship your locale with. Please read this comment carefully before you land this patch.

*Important*: There has been a change to how we use the  <Description/> elements present in the plug-ins (see bug 528655 and bug 529869). We want to emphasize that the search is integrated with the browser to better reflect what a search plugin is and what it does. You will need to edit the Wikipedia plug-in before you commit this patch. Please read <https://wiki.mozilla.org/L10n:Integrated_Search_Instructions> for detailed instructions.

For Google and Twitter, we don't have to copy the XML files to your mobile/searchplugins/ directory. Plugins identical to en-US are pulled from source automatically. It's enough to put the engine's name in list.txt for this to work (which I did). I also updated the Wikipedia plug-in to use a bigger icon, see bug 517997 for details.

Please edit the Wikipedia plug-in and commit this patch before you opt-in in the mozilla.dev.l10n newsgroup. Opt-ins without this patch will not be taken. This does not mean that we don't want to include other search engines. On the contrary, the work and the discussion will continue in this bug until we choose a good set of search engines for your locale. Then, you will be able to opt in again, so that in the final release we include more search engines than the mineral set from this patch.

This patch is simply meant to reset your mobile/searchplugins directory so that we keep the repository clean and happy.

Thanks for understanding!
Ville, which Amazon would you like to include? en-US / en-GB? Is there anything more localin the e-commerce category that you would recommend?
(Assignee)

Comment 5

9 years ago
(In reply to comment #4)
> Ville, which Amazon would you like to include? en-US / en-GB? Is there anything
> more localin the e-commerce category that you would recommend?

No similarly broad e-commerce site exists. And as I explained in comment 1, amazon.com will likely be seen positively in the eyes of the common Mobile Firefox user. Let's use en-US. UK version would seem forced to me as it offers few benefits.
(Assignee)

Comment 6

9 years ago
Patch landed in revision b61d7bec52ee
(In reply to comment #6)
> Patch landed in revision b61d7bec52ee

Thanks Ville.

(In reply to comment #5)
> (In reply to comment #4)
> > Ville, which Amazon would you like to include? en-US / en-GB? Is there anything
> > more localin the e-commerce category that you would recommend?
> 
> No similarly broad e-commerce site exists. And as I explained in comment 1,
> amazon.com will likely be seen positively in the eyes of the common Mobile
> Firefox user. Let's use en-US. UK version would seem forced to me as it offers
> few benefits.

Very well then, let's use Amazon.com.

Would you mind creating a patch for this? You'll only need to add "amazondotcom" to list.txt, no other chages are necessary.
Whiteboard: [bootstrapped][twitter][yahoo.fi]
(Assignee)

Comment 8

9 years ago
Created attachment 415229 [details] [diff] [review]
Amazondotcom added to list.txt

Attached patch to add amazon to list of searchplugins.
I'm gonna go ahead and commit this too, hope that's ok.
Comment on attachment 415229 [details] [diff] [review]
Amazondotcom added to list.txt

A post-landing r+. Thanks Ville.

http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/l10n-mozilla-1.9.2/fi/rev/b855937934c8
Attachment #415229 - Flags: review+
All 5 plugins from comment 1 have landed. Closing this bug as fixed. Thanks Ville, good work.

Please opt in in the Fennec 1.0 opt-in thread in mozilla.dev.l10n after you test your translation.
Status: NEW → RESOLVED
Last Resolved: 9 years ago
Resolution: --- → FIXED
Whiteboard: [bootstrapped][twitter][yahoo.fi] → [bootstrapped][twitter][yahoo.fi][amazondotcom]
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