542552 - Create mozilla.drumbeat.website discussion forum

Status: RESOLVED FIXED

(mozilla.org :: Discussion Forums, task)

Description

[Gervase Markham [:gerv]]

Please create a newsgroup/mailing list/Google Group triple called mozilla.drumbeat.website, for web development discussion about the drumbeat.org site.

Gerv

Comment 1

[Shyam Mani [:fox2mike]]

Admin?

Comment 2

[Gervase Markham [:gerv]]

Same as the current mozilla.community.drumbeat group.

Gerv

Comment 3

[Shyam Mani [:fox2mike]]

List done, waiting on Giganews and GOOG.

Comment 4

[Matt Thompson]

Any word on status?

Comment 5

[Gervase Markham [:gerv]]

We have the Google group up:
http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.drumbeat.website/topics?lnk=srg
but no sign of it on the news server yet :-(

Shyam: is it really common that it takes Giganews a week or more to set up new groups for us? That's not good...

Gerv

Comment 6

[Shyam Mani [:fox2mike]]

Gerv, nope. I've poked them.

Comment 7

[Shyam Mani [:fox2mike]]

Okay, Giganews says they're done and I can see it in my list of Newsgroups. 

Closing.

Comment 8

[Matt Thompson]

Fantastic! Thanks Shyam.

Can you let me know the link for the newsgroup? Can't seem to find it.

Comment 9

[Shyam Mani [:fox2mike]]

http://www.mozilla.org/community/developer-forums.html

Don't know what you mean by link, this isn't online (except via the google group), you'll have to use a News client to access it.

Comment 10

[Reed Loden [:reed]]

(In reply to comment #8)
> Can you let me know the link for the newsgroup? Can't seem to find it.

http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.drumbeat.website/topics

Comment 11

[Matt Thompson]

Due to many, many complaints from subscribers about spam, and the fact that this list is no longer actively in use, we would like to suspend it. As in: de-activate it. 

Not sure if this requires IT or not. Please advise on protocol / next steps?

--Matt

Comment 12

[Matt Thompson]

More spam and more complaints from community members, so raising the importance. Pleases suspend list asap. Thanks!

Comment 13

[Gervase Markham [:gerv]]

Over to server-ops for triage.

Gerv

Comment 14

[Rick Bryce [:rbryce]]

[e-mail] disabled but not removed. Its a hack, but mail sent to the list will get a nondescript  bounce message.  

Mailman has no way of "disabling".  The choices I have are remove the list and keep the archive, or remove everything.  Please advise.

Comment 15

[Gervase Markham [:gerv]]

That solves the problem for mailing list participants, but not for people reading via Google Groups or newsgroups, if the spam is coming in via those routes.

Matt: is that good enough for now, or do you want to press ahead with full deletion?

Gerv

Comment 16

[Matt Thompson]

My understanding is that the majority of spam is coming from the Google Groups side, so this doesn't seem like a fix. 

Question: are we able to export the email addresses of those currently signed up to the list?
So that we can invite them in future to join a new list once it's up and running?

Comment 17

[Rick Bryce [:rbryce]]

Matt: correct, this is not a fix.  I did what I could to stop the mail/spam from making it to the maillist manager.  I can save the users emails from the list.  Thw question is, do you want me to completely remove [e-mail] from google, giganews, and mozilla's mailman listserv?

Comment 18

[Chris Ilias [:cilias]]

Here are a couple of ideas:

* if all posters are using the mailing list, you could disable the news>mail gateway and remove references to the newsgroup/Google group in any webpages that point people to the forum.
<https://lists.mozilla.org/admin/drumbeat-website/?VARHELP=gateway/gateway_to_mail>

* you can set up a spam filter, that will hold any messages from Google groups for moderation before being sent to list members (they will still appear in the newsgroup).
<https://lists.mozilla.org/admin/drumbeat-website/privacy/spam>

Comment 19

[Gervase Markham [:gerv]]

Your 2) can only be done by making the group moderated. We are holding back on doing that for everyone, but if Matt is happy to moderate, we could do it for this group. Then we could continue to have the list, but without the spam. rbryce: I assume that's possible, right?

Your 1) might be a bit tricky as AIUI the config of all the groups is standardized. But I'm happy for rbryce to correct me :-)

Gerv

Comment 20

[Chris Ilias [:cilias]]

(In reply to Gervase Markham [:gerv] from comment #19)
> Your 2) can only be done by making the group moderated. 

I thought that as well, but apparently even though the Sender filters at <https://lists.mozilla.org/admin/drumbeat-website/privacy/sender> do not apply to messages from the newsgroup, the spam filters at <https://lists.mozilla.org/admin/drumbeat-website/privacy/spam> do! :)

For instance, on the support lists, I have a spam filter to hold messages with the header "NNTP-Posting-Host: 184.173.202.26" (This is where all the "freelance writer" "mozilla-xp.com" spam has been coming from). I get a "post from [e-mail]/ requires approval" notification every time that spam gets posted.

Comment 21

[Gervase Markham [:gerv]]

cilias: great! Can you tell us exactly which setting you have to set, and how? I can make that fix. Then we can get rbryce to re-enable the list - and perhaps use a script to roll out the fix everywhere!

Gerv

Comment 22

[Matt Thompson]

Fantastic news! Thanks Chris & Gerv! :)

Just to be clear, we have two different Drumbeat lists (below).
Whatever fix we decide on, can we please roll out across both groups?

1) mozilla.drumbeat.website
created for drumbeat web devs
https://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.drumbeat.website/topics

2) mozilla.community.drumbeat 
created for the general drumbeat community
http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.community.drumbeat/topics

Comment 23

[Chris Ilias [:cilias]]

Here's a screencast of me creating the filter on the test mailing list: <http://ilias.ca/screencasts/ggspamfilter.webm>.

Steps:
1. Go to the list admin panel. In this bug, <https://lists.mozilla.org/admin/drumbeat-website>.

2. Click on "Privacy options"

3. Click on "Spam filters"

4. In the "Header filters" section, click [Add new item].

5. In the new rule paste the header you want to filter.
For Google Groups messages, you can use: 
Complaints-To: [e-mail]
For the "freelance writer" "mozilla-xp.com" spam, you can use:
NNTP-Posting-Host: 184.173.202.26

6. Set the action to "Hold" (or Discard if you want them automatically deleted).

7. Scroll down and click [Submit Your Changes].

If there are other filter rules, you may need to move the filter to the top, using the [Move rule up] button.

NOTE: This will not remove the spam messages from the newsgroup or Google Group. It will just let you filter what gets sent to mailing list members.

Comment 24

[Gervase Markham [:gerv]]

OK, I've implemented specific spam filters for the mozilla-xp.com spam.

rbryce: can you re-enable the mailing list?

matt: we should work out the long-term strategy here. Every group needs somewhere to talk about stuff in a way that's reasonably permanent. But do these groups need nurture? Or transplant?

Gerv

Comment 25

[Matt Thompson]

@ Gerv: We'll be talking about exactly that in our Foundation team calls going forward. Thanks for all your help with this. 

Just so I'm clear: has this fix been enabled for both groups in comment 22? Or just one?

Comment 26

[Gervase Markham [:gerv]]

Both.

Gerv

Comment 27

[Rick Bryce [:rbryce]]

@Gerv -- drumbeat-website list has been re-enabled.

Comment 28

[Gervase Markham [:gerv]]

OK. Re-resolving and restoring original bug title. If there are any further issues with this group, please open a new bug :-)

Gerv