544383 - [azj-Latn] [Fx] New localization: North Azerbaijani, Latin script

Status: RESOLVED INCOMPLETE

(Mozilla Localizations :: Registration & Management, enhancement)

Description

[AzerDict]

User-Agent:       Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2) Gecko/20100115 Firefox/3.6
Build Identifier: Mozilla Firefox 3.6

I would like to create new localisation team.

Reproducible: Didn't try

Comment 1

[Daniel Veditz [:dveditz]]

Please see the resources at https://wiki.mozilla.org/L10n:Home_Page

If you've already read up to the "Registration" page and that's why you're filing a bug you forgot to

  State in the bug report:
    * the product you want to localize
    * the language country code
    * your contact details (name email, web-page if available).

Comment 2

[Daniel Veditz [:dveditz]]

Possibly a duplicate of bug 301681, but as that one died maybe a fresh start is better?

Comment 3

[Seth Bindernagel]

(In reply to comment #0)
> User-Agent:       Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2)
> Gecko/20100115 Firefox/3.6
> Build Identifier: Mozilla Firefox 3.6
> 
> I would like to create new localisation team.
> 
> Reproducible: Didn't try

Hi AzerDict.  Thanks for filing with your interest.  Have you had a chance to email the 1l0n-drivers with the request?  This is a good start. But, also send us an email so we can send you some more info.  Email is [e-mail].

Comment 4

[AzerDict]

Hi Dear Bugzilla,

I did also send message to [e-mail] as shown on registration page on the same day. I could not find right place to write the information you wrote. But if it could help you to clarify my purpose I can include them in this comment:

* the product you want to localize - Mozilla Firefox latest version (3.5 currently)
* the language country code - az-Aze
* your contact details (name email, web-page if available) - AzerDict, azerdict[at]gmail[dot]com, http://www.azerdict.com

Please let me know If I missed a point in registration of new localisation, I will try to fix it as soon as possible. Thank you again, I hope our localisation team will be created soon.

Regards,
AzerDict

Comment 5

[AzerDict]

In my previous message I meant Mozilla Firefox 3.6)))

Comment 6

[Axel Hecht [:Pike]]

No need to bother with that old bug.

For reference, there's no "mr bugzilla". There's Seth, and there'd be me, Axel, or Pike (which is my irc nick).

It'd be helpful to know which person is behind AzerDict, too.

Comment 7

[AzerDict]

OK Axel. From now on I will address you))

Actually there are three persons behind AzerDict. This is our common account and any of us can access this email. But if you would like personal mail account it is not problem too.

Comment 8

[AzerDict]

OK Axel. From now on I will address you))

Actually there are three persons behind AzerDict. This is our common account and any of us can access this email. But if you would like personal mail account it is not problem too.

Comment 9

[Seth Bindernagel]

In case you need a good reference to finish your work, please review the following documentation about creating a new localization:

https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Create_a_new_localization

Once you have made some progress, please attach something like a language pack to give us something to review.  And, ask questions in this bug along the way.

Also, I am not sure if AzerDict is a group of individuals or one person working on this.  It would be good to learn that names of the individuals are on this team.  :)

Comment 10

[AzerDict]

Attachment: Azerbaijani Firefox 3.6

Comment 11

[AzerDict]

We are already working on the translation through Narro. 30% of mozilla firefox's translation already translated. If you want to check this part it is not problem I attached it here. Furthermore If you would like to know my name I am Elshan. The other time it might me Yasin or Ferhad too)))

Comment 12

[Seth Bindernagel]

Thanks, Elshan.  Good update.  Please keep working and keep us abreast of the progress, asking questions along the way.  Let's get an Azerbaijan Firefox! :)

Comment 13

[AzerDict]

You're welcome Seth. Nowadays we are a little bit busy in university. In few days we'll have spring break we hope we would be able to finish translation then and have Azerbaijani Firefox))) This time it's Elshan by the way

Comment 14

[Axel Hecht [:Pike]]

Comment on attachment 438886 [details]
Azerbaijani Firefox 3.6

I'll need to give you an r- on this.

Overall, our compare-locales reports 25% changed/translated strings. No locale we're shipping is under 70%, and only a few under 80, to give you an idea of our expectations here.

I found a few more things that I'll give you right away, too:

In browser/chrome/browser/feeds/subscribe.properties
      ERROR: argument 1 `s` should be `S` at line 30, column 26 within alwaysUseForVideoPodcasts

In toolkit/defines.inc you should have set your language name. You probably want to fix the locale code in toolkit/chrome/global/intl.properties, too (even though I'm not sure it's still used anywhere).

Otherwise things looks pretty good, so keep up the work and we'll get there.

Comment 15

[AzerDict]

Thank you Axel for your remarks. I corrected those errors you've mentioned. When the translation process is completed 50% I'll update the attachment file again.

Comment 16

[AzerDict]

Attachment: Azerbaijani Firefox 3.6 (50% completed)

As I promised before I uploaded the new translation of Mozilla Firefox in Azerbaijani which is completed 50%. Please review and test it if you can, and let us know whether we are on the right way. By the way I corrected the previously mentioned mistakes in this edition.

Regards,
Elshan

Comment 17

[Seth Bindernagel]

Farhad from bug 301681 has come close to completing a translation of Firefox 4.  

I am hoping that the two teams can look at each others' work and consolidate efforts into one team.  We have a lot of things needing l10n beside Firefox, so I am sure if we combined forces, we could accomplish a lot together.  Has the Azerdict team chatted with Farhad from the above bug?

Comment 18

[Seth Bindernagel]

I commented in the other Azeri bug.

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=301681#c27

Comment 19

[AzerDict]

Attachment: Firefox 3.6 Azerbaijani 95% completed

Please review this version of translation. I guess there are some mistakes but unfortunately I could not detect and correct them. Please help us to correct these mistakes, we're almost done

Comment 20

[Axel Hecht [:Pike]]

The attachment is a language pack again, which means, my local toolchain won't cut it.

I've just went over to https://l10n.mozilla.org/narro/narro_project_list.php?l=az and actually downloaded the https://l10n.mozilla.org/narro/data/import/15/Firefox%203.6-az.zip from there. I hope that corresponds to the attachment.

We apparently haven't commented in this bug about that, but we're not going to take new locales on 3.6, yet I went ahead and ran the latest compare-locales version against the export.

Here's what my local stats for that export yield, against 1.9.2:

az
  browser
    chrome
      browser-region/region.properties
          // add and localize this file
      overrides
        netError.dtd
            ERROR: mismatched tag at line 131, column 135 within sharedLongDesc
        settingsChange.dtd
            ERROR: Unparsed content "<!-- -*- Mode: Java; tab-width: 4; indent-tabs-mode: nil; c-basic-offset: 4 -*-
# ***** BEGIN LICENSE BLOCK *****
# Version: MPL 1.1/GPL 2.0/LGPL 2.1
#
# The contents of this file are subject to the Mozilla Public License Version
# 1.1 (the "License"); you may not use this file except in compliance with
# the License. You may obtain a copy of the License at
# http://www.mozilla.org/MPL/
#
# Software distributed under the License is distributed on an "AS IS" basis,
# WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND, either express or implied. See the License
# for the specific language governing rights and limitations under the
# License.
#
# The Original Code is Mozilla.org Code.
#
# The Initial Developer of the Original Code is
# Doron Rosenberg.
# Portions created by the Initial Developer are Copyright (C) 2001
# the Initial Developer. All Rights Reserved.
#
# Contributor(s):
#   Ben Goodger <[e-mail]>
#   Myk Melez <[e-mail]>
#
# Alternatively, the contents of this file may be used under the terms of
# either the GNU General Public License Version 2 or later (the "GPL"), or
# the GNU Lesser General Public License Version 2.1 or later (the "LGPL"),
# in which case the provisions of the GPL or the LGPL are applicable instead
# of those above. If you wish to allow use of your version of this file only
# under the terms of either the GPL or the LGPL, and not to allow others to
# use your version of this file under the terms of the MPL, indicate your
# decision by deleting the provisions above and replace them with the notice
# and other provisions required by the GPL or the LGPL. If you do not delete
# the provisions above, a recipient may use your version of this file under
# the terms of any one of the MPL, the GPL or the LGPL.
#
# ***** END LICENSE BLOCK *****
-->

<!ENTITY  settingsChangePreferences.label  "Tənzimləmələr &brandShortName; "Tərcihlər" menyusunda olan "Tətbiqetmələr" vərəqəsindən istifadə edilərək dəyişdirilə bilər.">
<!ENTITY  settingsChangeOptions.label      "Tənzimləmələr &brandShortName; "Seçimlər" menyusunda olan "Tətbiqetmələr" vərəqəsindən istifadə edilərək dəyişdirilə bilər.">
" at 0-2136
            +settingsChangeOptions.label
            +settingsChangePreferences.label
    searchplugins/list.txt
        // add and localize this file
  dom/chrome/security/caps.properties
      ERROR: argument 5 `S` obsolete, argument 6 `S` obsolete at line 118, column 26 within CallMethodDeniedOrigins
      ERROR: argument 6 `S` obsolete at line 101, column 39 within SetPropertyDeniedOriginsObjectDomain
      ERROR: argument 6 `S` obsolete at line 93, column 40 within SetPropertyDeniedOriginsSubjectDomain
  toolkit/chrome/mozapps
    extensions/extensions.properties
        WARNING: trailing argument 3 `S` missing at line 62, column 28 within incompatiblePlatformMessage
        WARNING: trailing argument 3 `S` missing at line 78, column 22 within invalidFileExtMessage
    update/updates.dtd
        ERROR: not well-formed (invalid token) at line 7, column 58 within updateCheck.label
az:
errors: 6
missing: 2
keys: 942
unchanged: 2169
changed: 3017
missingInFiles: 20
warnings: 2
57% of entries changed

I'm not sure if the difference between 57 and 95% is an issue with the export from narro, or if this is strings inside narro, which are the same as in en-US.

The big chunk of errors looks rather drastic, but it's probably just that the " quotes should be escaped using &quot;

Don't worry too much about the region.properties one, that'll need handling outside of narro anyway.

The other error messages need to be checked on typos in the variable formats.

The stats against mozilla-central yield a good 1000 additional strings missing. Yes, sadly, Firefox 4 is quite a jump compared to Firefox 3.6.

I've CCed Alexandru to comment on the differences in statistics.

Comment 21

[AzerDict]

Attachment: Zip version of Firefox Azerbaijani 3.6 (95% completed)

Here the zip version of 95% completed translated firefox.Please review this file and tell me where are the mistakes and how can I correct them? What we need to do make this new translation appear on firefox official page?

Secondly, what you mean by saying you're not taking new locales?

Comment 22

[Axel Hecht [:Pike]]

Oh, interesting. That's looking a good deal different. My local stats say 89%, which is a great number.

That's making me curious, how did you get to that export?

On to the beef:

Compared to 1.9.2, we have the following:

az
  browser
    chrome
      browser/baseMenuOverlay.dtd
          WARNING: Referencing unknown entity `brandFullName` at line 16, column 0 within helpForIEUsers.label
      browser-region/region.properties
          // add and localize this file
      overrides
        netError.dtd
            ERROR: Unparsed content "<!ENTITY nssFailure2.longDesc "<ul>
  <li>Baxmaq istədiyiniz səhifə göstərilə bilməz, çünki qəbul olunan məlumatın səhihliyini yoxlamaq mümkün deiyl.</li>
  <li>Lütfən veb-saytın sahibləri ilə əlaqə saxlayaraq problem barədə məlumat verin. Yaxud, "Yardım" menyusundakı əmr vasitəsilə düzgün işləməyən sayt barədə hesabat verin.</li>
</ul>">" at 3944-4284
            ERROR: mismatched tag at line 115, column 135 within sharedLongDesc
            +nssFailure2.longDesc
        settingsChange.dtd
            ERROR: Unparsed content "<!-- -*- Mode: Java; tab-width: 4; indent-tabs-mode: nil; c-basic-offset: 4 -*-
# ***** BEGIN LICENSE BLOCK *****
# Version: MPL 1.1/GPL 2.0/LGPL 2.1
#
# The contents of this file are subject to the Mozilla Public License Version
# 1.1 (the "License"); you may not use this file except in compliance with
# the License. You may obtain a copy of the License at
# http://www.mozilla.org/MPL/
#
# Software distributed under the License is distributed on an "AS IS" basis,
# WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND, either express or implied. See the License
# for the specific language governing rights and limitations under the
# License.
#
# The Original Code is Mozilla.org Code.
#
# The Initial Developer of the Original Code is
# Doron Rosenberg.
# Portions created by the Initial Developer are Copyright (C) 2001
# the Initial Developer. All Rights Reserved.
#
# Contributor(s):
#   Ben Goodger <[e-mail]>
#   Myk Melez <[e-mail]>
#
# Alternatively, the contents of this file may be used under the terms of
# either the GNU General Public License Version 2 or later (the "GPL"), or
# the GNU Lesser General Public License Version 2.1 or later (the "LGPL"),
# in which case the provisions of the GPL or the LGPL are applicable instead
# of those above. If you wish to allow use of your version of this file only
# under the terms of either the GPL or the LGPL, and not to allow others to
# use your version of this file under the terms of the MPL, indicate your
# decision by deleting the provisions above and replace them with the notice
# and other provisions required by the GPL or the LGPL. If you do not delete
# the provisions above, a recipient may use your version of this file under
# the terms of any one of the MPL, the GPL or the LGPL.
#
# ***** END LICENSE BLOCK *****
-->

<!ENTITY  settingsChangePreferences.label  "Tənzimləmələr &brandShortName; "Tərcihlər" menyusunda olan "Tətbiqetmələr" vərəqəsindən istifadə edilərək dəyişdirilə bilər.">
<!ENTITY  settingsChangeOptions.label      "Tənzimləmələr &brandShortName; "Seçimlər" menyusunda olan "Tətbiqetmələr" vərəqəsindən istifadə edilərək dəyişdirilə bilər.">
" at 0-2136
            +settingsChangeOptions.label
            +settingsChangePreferences.label
    searchplugins/list.txt
        // add and localize this file
  dom/chrome
    nsWebBrowserPersist.properties
        ERROR: argument 2 `S` obsolete at line 42, column 9 within readOnly
    security/caps.properties
        ERROR: argument 5 `S` obsolete, argument 6 `S` obsolete at line 118, column 26 within CallMethodDeniedOrigins
        ERROR: argument 6 `S` obsolete at line 101, column 39 within SetPropertyDeniedOriginsObjectDomain
        ERROR: argument 6 `S` obsolete at line 93, column 40 within SetPropertyDeniedOriginsSubjectDomain
        WARNING: trailing argument 2 `S` missing at line 44, column 20 within CheckLoadURIError
    webservices/security.properties
        WARNING: trailing argument 2 `S` missing at line 42, column 20 within ElementHasSibling
  toolkit/chrome
    global/filepicker.properties
        ERROR: argument 1 `s` should be `S` at line 54, column 24 within errorPathProblemMessage
    mozapps
      extensions/extensions.properties
          WARNING: trailing argument 3 `S` missing at line 62, column 28 within incompatiblePlatformMessage
          WARNING: trailing argument 3 `S` missing at line 78, column 22 within invalidFileExtMessage
      update/updates.dtd
          ERROR: not well-formed (invalid token) at line 7, column 58 within updateCheck.label
az:
errors: 9
warnings: 5
keys: 942
unchanged: 543
changed: 4642
missingInFiles: 20
missing: 3
89% of entries changed

The 9 errors are really errors, the 5 warnings are things that we should have a look at. They may not break the build, or do, or just be different choices. Like &brandFullName; may just not be the same pick for "Firefox" as in en-US.

On to the topic of "not taking new locales". We're not going to attempt to ship more locales on Firefox 3.6. We moved the efforts for new locales to Firefox 4, which is currently in beta. As you'd start in beta on 3.6 as well, the chance that you'd be out of beta on 4 before you get a chance to be out of beta on 3.6 is rather high. And, well, we want you to do Firefox 4 anyway, because, like, that's the sexy and fast browser that's in the press today :-)

This is less about "not taking", and very much about that we're sorry that we didn't really tell you that we'd really need that other 1000 strings. We should have really commented on the bug here on that. Anyway, those 1000 strings are getting you all the great stuff in Firefox 4, and we'll not harrass you with all the process work around a software release twice, in parallel for 3.6 and 4. Hope that makes sense to you.

On https://l10n.mozilla.org/narro/, Firefox 4 is called "Firefox Next" right now. Alexandru should be able to carry all your work on 3.6 into that version, or, if you feel savvy with the admin functionality you may have, you could do that yourself. I personally know only sad little details about narro, so I can't guide you through that piece.

Comment 23

[Gordon P. Hemsley [:GPHemsley]]

Please be aware that 'az' (Azerbaijani) represents a macrolanguage that is made up of multiple languages.

It might be best to localize one of the sublanguages:
azb = South Azerbaijani
azj = North Azerbaijani

In addition, you may want to specify a script, since apparently 'azj' is written in either 'Latn' (Latin script) or 'Cyrl' (Cyrillic script) and 'azb' is written in 'Arab' (Arabic script).

With the more specific language and script subtags specified, I think it would be appropriate to drop the region subtag, as I don't think there are intelligibility problems among the readers of North Azerbaijani written in the Latin script.

Given that, I would recommend 'azj-Latn' to represent this localization.

Comment 24

[Axel Hecht [:Pike]]

There hasn't been any activity in this bug for a while.

We'd like to see you come back, we'd be interested in seeing a current effort to localize Aurora, http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-aurora/.

For now, I'm resolving this bug INCOMPLETE, but feel free to reopen once there's new activity.