56106 - need missing-plugin icon in status bar (because puzzle icon does not show for tiny plugins)

Status: RESOLVED WORKSFORME

(Core Graveyard :: Plug-ins, defect, P2)

Description

[Lynn Webb]

Not sure where the best location for this bug is, but the following sound 
embed tag does not work in Netscape 6: <embed src="/midi/nitemare.mid" 
align="center" border="0" width="51" height="15" autostart="true"  
volume="60" controls="smallconsole">. The console feature no longer works and 
the sound also does not work. It works fine in Netscape 4.x.

Comment 1

[Lynn Webb]

The build bug was seen in was 2000-10-10-09-MN6.  

Comment 2

[Doron Rosenberg (IBM)]

plugins, midi file.

Comment 3

[shrirang khanzode]

This is working fine for me on yesterday's windows branck build(20001010). I 
have quicktime 4.1.2 installed. I see this exactly as I see it on 4.72. Sound 
works for me. Attaching a testcase here.

Comment 4

[shrirang khanzode]

Attachment: testcase attached

Comment 5

[shrirang khanzode]

marking this invalid. 

Comment 6

[Lynn Webb]

Sorry, but still doesn't work for me, even using your test. Should I open the 
bug in Bugscape instead, since it was build 2000-10-10-09-MN6, which is the 
Netscape 6 branch build?

Comment 7

[Lynn Webb]

By the way, I'm using WinNT, and it is not running the Quicktime plugin. I'm
just using the default browser midi plugin. I'm not even given a message that I
need a plugin to hear it.

Comment 8

[Lynn Webb]

I also have Quicktime Player installed on my system.

Comment 9

[sean echevarria]

When you do about:plugins does your midi plugin show up?

Comment 10

[Lynn Webb]

"About:plugins" shows my audio plugin as "audio/x-pn-realaudio-plugin" 
(realplayer). I don't see a place where I can edit plugins except in Helper 
Applications, and when I look there, I only see txt/html. Also, my default 
plugin is "D:\Netscape6US\Netscape 6\plugins\npnul32.dll", with no mime type 
defined.

I tried entering my own plugin info. in the Helper Applications section and got 
the message "helper already exists for audio/midi, do you want to replace it?" 
Said OK. Message popped up again. Said OK. Message popped up AGAIN. Finally had 
to cancel. Midi is still not functioning for me. I performed a typical install, 
not a complete install of this build.

Comment 11

[Lynn Webb]

After closing down the browser because it wouldn't accept my midi plugin change, 
I tried reopening the browser and got the following error message: 
"OleMainThreadWndName: netscp6.exe - Application Error"

"The instruction at "0x00812675" referenced memory at "0x819d80b4". The memory 
could not be "written". Click OK to terminate the application." I already 
reproduced this twice.

Comment 12

[shrirang khanzode]

that's 50914 you are seeing. It is supposed to be fixed in toda'y s builds. Btw, 
can you try to install crescendo from Liveupdate on you machine and put the dll 
in the plugins folder under ur seamonkey installation and see if that helps? 
Thx.

Comment 13

[Lynn Webb]

I tried out the plugin you suggested. Unfortunately, it didn't play any of the 
sound except the "drums". Also, I had to force the plugin into the Netscape 6 
directory. It wanted to go directly into Communicator's directory. Most 
end-users will not be doing any of this workaround stuff. If Netscape 6 says 
that it is already using an "audi/midi" plugin, but the "about:plugin" says that 
there isn't one installed, there's definitely a problem. The only plugins that 
showed up in my typical install were: npnul32.dll, NPJava130_01.dll, 
NPJava130_01a.dll, NPJava130_01b.dll and NPJava130_01c.dll. Looks like not 
everything that should get installed does get installed.

Comment 14

[sean echevarria]

I think the helper app dialog is looking in the windows registry and sees that 
you have a handler installed on your machine for audio/midi.  It will use that 
if you try to click on a mid file - but that does not mean there is a suitable 
plugin installed for that mimetype (as is confirmed by the output of 
about:plugins).

The issue regarding the installation of the Crescendo plugin is a problem with 
their installer, not with n6 (though users probably won't see it that way).

Comment 15

[shrirang khanzode]

so what do we do of this bug? <embed> tag does work for me...

Comment 16

[av (gone)]

As it is stated in the summary it is definitely invalid. The problem that NS6 
comes with no music plugins is not really plugins issue.

Comment 17

[Lynn Webb]

OK. I'm changing the summary. The bug is that the client doesn't warn the user 
that s/he does not have a plugin for the embedded midi file. 

Comment 18

[av (gone)]

Shrirang, could you please check if the default plugin is launched on the html 
code specified? Probably an issue of size not enough to see the puzzle peace.

Comment 19

[shrirang khanzode]

Andrei, unless I change the 'height' attribute to 35, the puzzle icon is not 
appearing. I remeber a bug with this problem was logged but it worked with the 
reporter's testcases.  

Comment 20

[av (gone)]

Changing summary. The old one read 'NS6 does not warn user of missing midi 
plugin'.

Frankly, I don't know what to do about this. The size could even be specified 
0x0 to make the plugin intentionally invisible. In this case the default plugin 
will not show up at all and will probably be unclickable. Doing pop up in cases 
like this does not seem to be good solution to me.

Comment 21

[ekrock's old account (dead)]

Not RTM stop-ship. rtm-, Future. Not even sure we'll fix this; may ultimately
WONTFIX. If content developers want the default plug-in to show up in the
meantime, they need to make the size large enough that the user will see it.

Comment 22

[Jesse Ruderman]

Lots of overlap with bug 52905.

Comment 23

[av (gone)]

The main issue with 52905 was that somehow you couldn't click on the space 
occupied by the default plugin, but it is clickable even if it is cropped to 
'invisibility'.

Comment 24

[Matthew T (active 1999-2002)]

Methinks `Extra plug-ins are needed to display all of this page' should replace
`Done' as status bar text in this situation. Clicking the status bar should then
let you download the plug-in.

Comment 25

[Damian Yerrick]

Still can't see the puzzle piece on tiny EMBEDs in version 0.9.6.
I'll test a more recent nightly in a few moments.

Comment 26

[Damian Yerrick]

The problem still exists in build 2001121309.

Comment 27

[Jesse Ruderman]

I like mpt's solution of adding text to the status bar.

Comment 28

[rubydoo123]

proposed solution is to mimic the current cookie implementation, in that when
the default plug-in is to be displayed, have the plug-in icon render in the
window status bar, the user would then select the icon and be directed to the
appropriate location.

setting to PL2:P2

Comment 29

[rubydoo123]

*** Bug 143424 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

Comment 30

[rubydoo123]

will work this issue in the plug-in branch

Comment 31

[Matthias Versen [:Matti]]

This works for me with a current Seamonkey 1.9.1 branch build on win2003.
Is this still a valid bug with the new plugin info bar ?

Comment 32

[Matthias Versen [:Matti]]

marking wfm because we have a new info bar for missing plugins in Seamonkey and in Firefox