604002 - (fx40-p12n-pl) [pl] Firefox 4.0 productization review for Polish

Status: RESOLVED FIXED

(Mozilla Localizations :: pl / Polish, defect)

Description

[Staś Małolepszy :stas]

As you might have seen in the newsgroups or on the Mozilla blog, there's a couple of changes to search engines planned for the 4.0 release for en-US: <http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.dev.l10n/msg/81073d8d67e1c4c3>. We would like to use this opportunity to review the current productization setup for Polish and make any changes that you think will be good for our users.

What is a productization review?
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Here's what we're interested in:
* search engines,
* protocol handlers,
* feed readers,
* live bookmark.
You can see what your locale currently ships with at <http://hg.mozilla.org/l10n/l10n-src-verification/file/default/reference/browser/2.0/pl>

Please take a moment and review the choice of services available by default in your locale. If there have been any new services that have recently gained popularity and that offer good value for the users, please suggest adding them to your locale. On the other hand, if there are services that lost credibility (e.g. display too many adds) or have poor user experience, consider suggesting that we remove them. If in doubt, feel free to make a suggestion and we'll look at it together. You might find the guidelines at <https://wiki.mozilla.org/L10n:Productization> and <https://wiki.mozilla.org/L10n:Firefox/Productization> helpful, too.

Required changes
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There's two things I would like to draw your attention to (if applicable):

1) if you have a google.xml file in your `searchplugins` directory, please remove it,

2) Bloglines is closing down on November 1st and we need to remove it from the feed reader options for all locales (see bug 595485). We suspect that it will make sense to move Google Reader up to the first position (if your locale has it). We will be offering technical help with this change, either in form of ready-made patches or a mass-landing by one of the l10n-drivers. If you don't think that moving Google Reader up is a good idea for your locale, please let us know!

Changes in en-US and en-GB
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Here's the changes that we will be making in en-US and en-GB:
* add Bing as the 3rd general search engine (see bug 603298),
* remove Answers,
* remove Creative Commons.

We're making these changes in en-US and en-GB because we feel that they follow the recent market trends and user preferences in the US and the UK. We would like to go through the same thought process for your locale and see if any of these changes would make sense in Polish builds as well. If you decide that implementing these changes would be in your users' best interest then please go ahead and include them in the patch you'll attach to this bug.


Implementation
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Please make suggestions for changes and attach patches that Seth, Axel or I will review. Please note that since Bing provides a global plugin which does the locale detection itself, you will only need to add "bing" to your list.txt if you decide to include it. The XML file will be automatically pulled from en-US.

Once a review is granted, you can land the patch on l10n-central if your locale actively maintains it. Otherwise, please wait for further instructions which will be put in the comments of this bug and announced in mozilla.dev.l10n (we're still unsure when the branching will happen). Please do not land any changes except for the required ones (google.xml, Bloglines) on 1.9.2.

If you do not wish to make any changes, let us know, and we'll only work on removing Bloglines.

Thanks!

Comment 1

[Seth Bindernagel]

The Bloglines change does not affect your locale. 

However, if you have any productization changes to make for Firefox 4, like the Bing suggestion listed in comment 0, please provide a patch to make that change on l10n-central. 

If there are not changes, just close this bug. Thank you.

Comment 2

[Hubert Gajewski]

IMHO we should not add Bing in Firefox pl. Bing is not very popular in Poland - they have 0.7% market share (http://ranking.pl/en/rankings/search-engines-domains.html) and it is going down (it was 1.7% in Q1 2009).

BTW - We should think about bug 494794 (see comment 10 and 11 there).

Comment 3

[Marek Stępień [:marcoos, inactive]]

I have nothing against Bing - it works mostly OK and if it helps Moz Fdtn be less reliant on Google, then I think we can add it. On the other hand, I don't expect a lot of search revenue coming from pl Bing just yet, though, unless Microsoft starts to promote it more agressively in Poland.

Comment 4

[Staś Małolepszy :stas]

Some notes about region.properties:

https://hg.mozilla.org/l10n-central/pl/file/default/browser/chrome/browser-region/region.properties could get some updating love :) The L10n note is missing, and so is the Mibbit handler, and gecko.handlerService.defaultHandlersVersion should be 5.

Could you port the 1.9.2 version over to central? 
https://hg.mozilla.org/releases/l10n-mozilla-1.9.2/pl/file/default/browser/chrome/browser-region/region.properties

One thing that doesn't need to go into central is the keyword.URL pref.

Thanks!

Comment 5

[Marek Stępień [:marcoos, inactive]]

There is no l10n note in:
http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/file/bfec67c46b7c/browser/locales/en-US/chrome/browser-region/region.properties

(there is a "translation note", though, but we do have it in pl central)

Comment 6

[Marek Stępień [:marcoos, inactive]]

So, should I copy the 1.9.2 file into central with the l10n note (not existing in en-US central) or just add Mibbit to central and increment defaultHandlersVersion?

Comment 7

[Staś Małolepszy :stas]

Adding the note in mozilla-central takes a looong time, but I'm hoping it will land one day. If you can, please land the note, too. If adding it while it's still missing from the en-US messes up with your toolchain, you can leave it out.

Comment 8

[Seth Bindernagel]

Hi Guys, what is the update on this bug?  Can we resolve it as fixed?

Comment 9

[Seth Bindernagel]

Hi Guys:  Status update?  We are getting close to FF 4 and should finish up the work in this bug.

Comment 10

[Marek Stępień [:marcoos, inactive]]

We're still discussing adding a new search plugin (or replacing one of the existing ones).

Comment 11

[Seth Bindernagel]

10 days until an RC.  We're running low on time.

Comment 12

[Marek Stępień [:marcoos, inactive]]

Attachment: Add the L10n note and Mibbit

This does what comment 4 asks for.

Comment 13

[Marek Stępień [:marcoos, inactive]]

Comment on attachment 513160 [details] [diff] [review]
Add the L10n note and Mibbit

Landed: http://hg.mozilla.org/l10n-central/pl/rev/5620fb3f2fe3

Comment 14

[Marek Stępień [:marcoos, inactive]]

Ok, so for Firefox 4 we're sticking with the search plugins we had in 3.6. We will probably replace one of the existing search plugins Firefox post-4, though.

Comment 15

[Axel Hecht [:Pike]]

marcoos, did you intend to switch the feedback request on stas to an '-' or just cancel it?