657004 - Archive or migrate Xforms pages on www.mozilla.org

Status: RESOLVED WONTFIX

(Developer Documentation Graveyard :: HTML, defect, P5)

Description

[David Boswell]

The Xforms pages on www.mozilla.org are out of date and should either be migrated to MDN (where there are already Xforms pages) or archived so that people understand this information is not current.

I recommend redirecting the main Xforms main page to the Xforms page on MDN and then archiving the rest of the files so people will see a note about this content being out of date.

Archiving legacy content is also now a requirement for being able to move forward with the mozilla.org/.com merge, so I'll go ahead and archive things soon unless I hear any objections.

Comment 1

[David Boswell]

/projects/xforms directory archived and redirect for main XForms page to the Xforms page on MDN set up in r88928.

Comment 2

[Olli Pettay [:smaug][[e-mail]]]

(In reply to comment #0)
> The Xforms pages on www.mozilla.org are out of date and should either be
> migrated to MDN (where there are already Xforms pages) or archived so that
> people understand this information is not current.
Why?

Wouldn't it make more sense to actually fix the parts which are outdated.

Comment 3

[David Boswell]

(In reply to comment #2)
> > The Xforms pages on www.mozilla.org are out of date and should either be
> > migrated to MDN (where there are already Xforms pages) or archived so that
> > people understand this information is not current.
> Why?

As mentioned in the original comment, people come across out of date content and assume it is current and it causes confusion.

Leaving pages that haven't been touched in years also makes it difficult to modernize the site (we had to touch 1000s of pages in the last redesign).

Leaving these pages in place also makes it more difficult to get them current again -- pages on MDN and the wiki are much easier for people to update.  The process for updating www.mozilla.org is also going to get more difficult when the www.mozilla.org and www.mozilla.com merge is completed.
 
> Wouldn't it make more sense to actually fix the parts which are outdated.

Yes.  I would recommend updating those pages either on MDN or the wiki.  I'm happy to set up redirects for previous URLs for any pages you move to new locations.  All of the old content is also still available in the SVN repository as well as on the archived version of the site at

http://www-archive.mozilla.org/projects/xforms/

Comment 4

[Philipp Wagner [:imphil]]

Two pices of content are especially valuable here: the compat table (http://www-archive.mozilla.org/projects/xforms/status-detail.html, it's generated by a script) and the demo forms (http://www-archive.mozilla.org/projects/xforms/samples.html). I guess the script approach is not possible on the wiki and we need to hand-edit it all? Also, it is possible on the wiki to somehow integrate the demo forms?

Comment 5

[David Boswell]

(In reply to comment #4)
> Two pices of content are especially valuable here: the compat table
> (http://www-archive.mozilla.org/projects/xforms/status-detail.html, it's
> generated by a script) and the demo forms
> (http://www-archive.mozilla.org/projects/xforms/samples.html). I guess the
> script approach is not possible on the wiki and we need to hand-edit it all?

In the short-term we can move things back to www.mozilla.org if it isn't possible to easily move something to the wiki.  Longer term though, www.mozilla.org isn't for hosting documentation in general and hosting scripts is problematic because of security reasons.

> Also, it is possible on the wiki to somehow integrate the demo forms?

I'll let Sheppy answer this question about the wiki on MDN.

Comment 6

[Philipp Wagner [:imphil]]

(In reply to comment #5)
> (In reply to comment #4)
> > Two pices of content are especially valuable here: the compat table
> > (http://www-archive.mozilla.org/projects/xforms/status-detail.html, it's
> > generated by a script) and the demo forms
> > (http://www-archive.mozilla.org/projects/xforms/samples.html). I guess the
> > script approach is not possible on the wiki and we need to hand-edit it all?
> 
> In the short-term we can move things back to www.mozilla.org if it isn't
> possible to easily move something to the wiki.  Longer term though,
> www.mozilla.org isn't for hosting documentation in general and hosting
> scripts is problematic because of security reasons.

It was only script-generated, not a live script, so no security issue here. Anyway, I think we can move the table into a wiki document if it needs to be that way. I'll do that if nobody objects. Olli, Aaron, Alex, is that ok?

> > Also, it is possible on the wiki to somehow integrate the demo forms?
> 
> I'll let Sheppy answer this question about the wiki on MDN.

That would be great to know, until then linking them to www-archive should be sufficient. The content stays there, right? It's not planned to delete the stuff there after some time as well?

Comment 7

[aaronr]

> It was only script-generated, not a live script, so no security issue here.
> Anyway, I think we can move the table into a wiki document if it needs to be
> that way. I'll do that if nobody objects. Olli, Aaron, Alex, is that ok?
> 

Works for me.

Comment 8

[David Boswell]

> It was only script-generated, not a live script, so no security issue here.
> Anyway, I think we can move the table into a wiki document if it needs to be
> that way. I'll do that if nobody objects. Olli, Aaron, Alex, is that ok?

Great, glad to hear there's a way to move this into a wiki.
 
> That would be great to know, until then linking them to www-archive should
> be sufficient. The content stays there, right? It's not planned to delete
> the stuff there after some time as well?

No, the www-archive.mozilla.org site is intended just to sit there.  The only reason something would be removed is if there was a security concern that wasn't able to be addressed by updating the page (which has happened just once since the archive was set up).

For getting Sheppy's feedback, it may make sense to move this bug into the MDN product if that's where you would move the content.  I think it's easy for doc bugs to get missed in other Bugzilla components.

Comment 9

[Eric Shepherd [:sheppy]]

Yes, that's the way to go. Move it to the MDN component.

Comment 10

[David Boswell]

Moved and reopened.

Comment 11

[Eric Shepherd [:sheppy]]

For historic purposes, this should be done, but it's worth noting that xforms is dead.

Comment 12

[John Karahalis [:openjck]]

This appears to block mozilla.org migration work. Jennifer might be able to say more about this content in light of comment 11.

Comment 13

[Jean-Yves Perrier [:teoli]]

We don't work anymore about XForms in MDN (lack of resources)