682188 - [one mozilla] Mozilla-wide sites (ftp.mozilla.org, www.mozilla.org, etc.) should use Mozilla site icon (favicon), not Firefox icon

Status: RESOLVED FIXED

(www.mozilla.org :: General, defect)

Description

[Smokey Ardisson (offline for a while; not following bugs - do not email)]

Sometime recently, the site icons of ftp.mozilla.org and www.mozilla.org (the Mozilla dino logo) were replaced by the Firefox logo icon.

Like other Mozilla-wide sites (e.g., developer.mozilla.org), ftp.m.o and www.m.o should continue to be using the Mozilla dino site icon, rather than a Firefox logo icon; these sites belong to (and have info/resources for) the entire Mozilla community, not just Firefox.

Comment 1

[Smokey Ardisson (offline for a while; not following bugs - do not email)]

(In reply to comment #0)
> Sometime recently, the site icons of ftp.mozilla.org and www.mozilla.org
> (the Mozilla dino logo) were replaced by the Firefox logo icon.

Based on some additional investigation, this appears to have happened yesterday (the 25th)--that, or all my icon caches decided to expire and refresh themselves the same day.

Comment 2

[Mark Banner (:standard8)]

Bump, I suspect this is a regression from the one-Mozilla merge.

This has also overridden Thunderbird's what's new and start pages so that these pages which get shown in-product now have a Firefox icon rather than the Thunderbird one.

Also pages like http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/ now have a Firefox icon rather than either a generic mozilla one, or a specific Thunderbird one.

We've just filed bug 683153 which can handle any Thunderbird specific changes, but we should really get a plan to fix this around the site.

Comment 4

[Mark Banner (:standard8)]

Can someone please take a look at this and suggest a way forward? I'm pretty sure this is a clear regression from the One Mozilla merge.

Maybe removing the favicon.ico from the svn repo mozilla.com would be the best option for now (as it would presumably revert us to where we were before).

Comment 5

[Tomer Cohen :tomer]

I think that the right icon is located at http://www.mozilla.org/images/mozilla-16.png

Please note that on the version control under mozilla.org/trunk repository there is still the old mozilla icon, which never replaced by a Firefox logo. 

http://viewvc.svn.mozilla.org/vc/projects/mozilla.org/trunk/favicon.ico?view=log

Comment 6

[Mark Banner (:standard8)]

(In reply to Tomer Cohen :tomer from comment #5)
> I think that the right icon is located at
> http://www.mozilla.org/images/mozilla-16.png
> 
> Please note that on the version control under mozilla.org/trunk repository
> there is still the old mozilla icon, which never replaced by a Firefox logo. 
> 
> http://viewvc.svn.mozilla.org/vc/projects/mozilla.org/trunk/favicon.
> ico?view=log

The problem is that in the mozilla.com "merge" the favicon from the mozilla.com svn has overwritten the mozilla.org favicon via the redirects put in place.

I believe sancus has been asking around, but no-one has offered a solution to this issue yet.

Comment 7

[James Long (:jlongster)]

John/Chrissie/Laura - what do you guys think about this? Should we have 2 different favicons? That's pretty easy to do, I think.

Comment 8

[John Slater]

Yeah, for now we should revert back to the previous dino favicon for the non-Firefox sites. In the longer term, I'd like to reserve the dino for sites that are explicitly community-facing (such as the Mozillians phone book), so for sites like mozilla.org we'll need to develop another neutral Mozilla favicon, but for now the dino is fine.

Comment 9

[Samuel Sidler (:ss)]

Great. There's a plan. Who's going to work on this? Thunderbird considers this critical and it's been almost two months since it was filed.

Comment 10

[James Long (:jlongster)]

I'll take it for now. Set for next Tuesday's release.

Comment 11

[James Long (:jlongster)]

fixed mozilla.org in r96758

Comment 12

[James Long (:jlongster)]

fixed thunderbird in r96759

My commit in comment 11 should go to production automatically; not sure how to roll out code on thunderbird.

Comment 13

[James Long (:jlongster)]

Note that favicon are cached very heavily, it might take a good hard refresh to get it to come up.

Comment 14

[James Long (:jlongster)]

there's another header on the mozilla.org site that needed this fix. done in r96760.

Comment 15

[Tony Mechelynck [:tonymec]]

(In reply to James Long (:jlongster) from comment #13)
> Note that favicon are cached very heavily, it might take a good hard refresh
> to get it to come up.

Who caches it? My browser or some mirror? Even loading each of the following in one browser tab and hitting Ctrl+Shift+R on each of them still brings up only "Firefox" icons:
http://www.mozilla.org/favicon.ico
http://ftp.mozilla.org/favicon.ico resends to www.mozilla.org/favicon.ico
http://getpersonas-cdn.mozilla.net/favicon.ico

Comment 16

[rsx11m]

http://www.mozilla.org/ shows the Mozilla dino for me now.

Comment 17

[Tony Mechelynck [:tonymec]]

(In reply to rsx11m from comment #16)
> http://www.mozilla.org/ shows the Mozilla dino for me now.

For me too (it has a <link rel="shortcut icon" type="image/ico" href="/org/favicon.ico" />), and http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/ has <link rel="shortcut icon" type="image/ico" href="/thunderbird/img/favicon.ico" /> which is a Thunderbird icon (appropriate for that page); but http://ftp.mozilla.org/ and its pub/mozilla.org/ subpages have no such <link>, and still display the "Firefox" favicon from http://ftp.mozilla.org/favicon.ico/ (redirect to www., see comment #15 above).

The problem is that "Firefox-specific" pages such as http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/fx/ (which deserve a Firefox favicon) don't have a <link rel="shortcut icon"> either.

AFAICT, this bug hasn't been properly "fixed", since ftp.mozilla.org (which "wants" a Mozilla icon) and www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/fx/ (which "wants" a Firefox icon) both get www.mozilla.org/favicon.ico which of course cannot be both a red panda and a dino.

Comment 18

[James Long (:jlongster)]

The root favicon at /favicon.ico needs to be the Firefox icon. There are too many places we would have to add a <link> tag in the mozilla.org/firefox codebase. For different favicons on the same site, we have to use <link> tags to specify ones different that the root.

We should just figure out how to fix ftp.mozilla.org. How is that site setup? Can we change just its favicon?

Comment 19

[Tony Mechelynck [:tonymec]]

(In reply to James Long (:jlongster) from comment #18)
> The root favicon at /favicon.ico needs to be the Firefox icon. There are too
> many places we would have to add a <link> tag in the mozilla.org/firefox
> codebase. For different favicons on the same site, we have to use <link>
> tags to specify ones different that the root.
> 
> We should just figure out how to fix ftp.mozilla.org. How is that site
> setup? Can we change just its favicon?

Currently, when I browse to http://ftp.mozilla.org/favicon.ico I get a redirect: my URL bar changes to http://www.mozilla.org/favicon.ico and I get the Firefox icon. I suppose that redirect would have to go.

Comment 20

[Andrei Hajdukewycz [:sancus]]

Or just change the redirect to http://www.mozilla.org/org/favicon.ico

Comment 21

[James Long (:jlongster)]

Will try to fix this for 4.5.

Comment 22

[James Long (:jlongster)]

I don't know how to move forward on this. Whoever has access to ftp.mozilla.org needs to fix this.

Comment 23

[Tony Mechelynck [:tonymec]]

(In reply to James Long (:jlongster) from comment #22)
> I don't know how to move forward on this. Whoever has access to
> ftp.mozilla.org needs to fix this.

David, do you have the needed access? If you don't, hopefully you know better than me whom to add to the CC list.

Comment 24

[James Long (:jlongster)]

If this doesn't move forward soon we can file a new bug specifically for the FTP site and close this one.

Comment 25

[David Boswell]

justdave may know about how to update the image on ftp.mozilla.org or know who to talk to.

I agree with James about filing a new bug about changing this on other sites.

Comment 26

[Mike Alexis [:malexis]]

Resolving. If the updating the image on the ftp is still needed we can open a new bug.

Comment 27

[Tony Mechelynck [:tonymec]]

(In reply to Mike Alexis [:malexis] from comment #26)
> Resolving. If the updating the image on the ftp is still needed we can open
> a new bug.

Bug 757742