User Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.0; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20110928 Firefox/7.0.1 SeaMonkey/2.4.1 Build ID: 20110928161145 Steps to reproduce: The screens/windows with Thunderbird 7.0 and 7.0.1 for Windows (32-bit) are rather jittery and jerky when they are minimized and/or maximized. Also, when other applications are running along with TB (e.g. Firefox), the windows with those applications are also jittery/jerky, while TB 7 is running. Once TB is closed, the problem ceases and all windows maximize/minimize smoothly again. This problem did not occur with Thunderbird 6.x for Windows. On-board video is nVIDIA GeForce 6150SE nForce 430 (128 Mb video memory). CPU is AMD Athlon X2 64-bit dual core, running Windows Vista (32-bit) pre-installed.
Maybe HW acceleration started to work in Thunderbird 7 on your card. Please paste the contents of Graphics section of Help->Troubleshooting info .
Adapter: DescriptionNVIDIA GeForce 6150SE nForce 430 Vendor ID: 10de Device: ID03d0 Adapter: RAM128 Adapter Drivers: nvd3dum nvwgf2um Driver Version: 188.8.131.5214 Driver Date: 3-8-2009 Direct2D Enabled: Blocked for your graphics driver version. Try updating your graphics driver to version 257.21 or newer. DirectWrite Enabled: false (7.0.6002.18409) ClearType Parameters: ClearType parameters not found WebGL Renderer: Blocked for your graphics driver version. Try updating your graphics driver to version 257.21 or newer. GPU Accelerated Windows: 0/1. Blocked for your graphics driver version. Try updating your graphics driver to version 257.21 or newer.
Then it is not what I said. HW acceleration is still disabled. Maybe TB just started to trigger some Windows bug. You could try to update your graphics drivers. Is Firefox 7 not causing this same problem as Thunderbird?
I just installed the latest video drivers, the issue is still present. It does not occur with Firefox 7..
New driver information (from same TB screen) Adapter Description: NVIDIA GeForce 6150SE nForce 430 Vendor ID: 10de Device ID: 03d0 Adapter RAM: 128 Adapter Drivers: nvd3dum Driver Version: 184.108.40.20638 Driver Date: 7-14-2009 Direct2D Enabled: Blocked for your graphics driver version. Try updating your graphics driver to version 257.21 or newer. DirectWrite Enabled: false (7.0.6002.18409) ClearType Parameters: ClearType parameters not found WebGL Renderer: Blocked for your graphics driver version. Try updating your graphics driver to version 257.21 or newer. GPU Accelerated Windows: 0/1. Blocked for your graphics driver version. Try updating your graphics driver to version 257.21 or newer.
That doesn't look much newer. Isn't there anything released 2011 available? version above 257.21 ?
How does "257.21" relate to "Driver Version: 220.127.116.1138" anyway? Those two specifications don't seem to have much in common...
See https://wiki.mozilla.org/Blocklisting/Blocked_Graphics_Drivers , section "On Windows", "Nvidia cards".
(In reply to aceman from comment #6) > That doesn't look much newer. Isn't there anything released 2011 available? > version above 257.21 ? The driver installer (almost 190 Mb) came directly from nVIDIA's web site, that was the latest one available.
The computer in question was purchased during November 2009, it's not even two years old.
Thanks, so 18.104.22.16821 (Windows 7) or 06/2010+ are the relevant minimum versions. edwardp, do you have by any chance a compatibility modus activated for Thunderbird? Some of those affect display as well and may have an impact on the entire desktop. Right-click C:\Program Files (x86)\Mozilla Thunderbird\thunderbird.exe > Properties. In the "Compatibility" tab, make sure that no box is checked for the executable.
(In reply to edwardp from comment #10) > The computer in question was purchased during November 2009, it's not even > two years old. Yes, but the graphics drivers are still evolving and nvidia is releasing updates even for your card. I got this one, when selecting your exact model: http://www.nvidia.com/object/win7-winvista-32bit-280.26-whql-driver.html If you need some specific language, just fill the form here: http://www.nvidia.com/Download/index.aspx?lang=en-us
Compatibility mode is not checked. The reference to "nForce 430" threw me off, so what I downloaded, may not have been the correct driver, even though it seems to work. I have downloaded the 280.26 installer, will try this and report back.
New drivers now installed, no change in windows behavior, still jittery. New driver info: Adapter Description: NVIDIA GeForce 6150SE nForce 430 Vendor ID: 10de Device ID: 03d0 Adapter RAM: 128 Adapter Drivers: nvd3dum Driver Version: 22.214.171.12426 Driver Date: 8-3-2011 Direct2D Enabled: false DirectWrite Enabled: false (7.0.6002.18409) ClearType Parameters: ClearType parameters not found WebGL Renderer: Google Inc. -- ANGLE -- OpenGL ES 2.0 (ANGLE 0.0.0.686) GPU Accelerated Windows: 0/1. Blocked for your graphics card because of unresolved driver issues.
Would it be possible for you to temporarily install Thunderbird 6 now and see if it really doesn't have the problem? Maybe something else in your system incidentally changed alongside TB7 update and you don't remember it.
I can certainly try reinstalling 6 (6.0.2). With the original drivers that were pre-installed with Vista (listed in Comment 2), this did not occur with Thunderbird 6 or prior versions. This started with version 7.0.
With the current (new) drivers, Thunderbird 6.0.2 also displays the jittery windows. With the original pre-installed drivers, 6.0.2 did not have jittery windows.
That is not sure it is due to the drivers. Something else could have changed which we didn't find yet. Do you wish to rollback the drivers and try the originals with TB 6?
I'm not sure I can roll them back to the original pre-installed drivers. I had uninstalled the originals listed in Comment 2 and they were initially replaced with what is listed in Comment 5, which may have been an incorrect driver - but they were for an "nForce 430" according to nVIDIA's web site. Those were also uninstalled and replaced with what is listed in Comment 14. I don't know about Vista, but With XP, you could rollback to the last installed driver, but not beyond that. But TB 6 worked fine with the original drivers.
TB is the only application that displays jittery windows, everything else on the PC is fine.
I think Vista also should have the feature to rollback to previous driver (as XP). Or you can just install from the installer you used to get the driver in comment 5. I think those driver were very close to the original one.
When I uninstalled the latest driver, Vista reverted back to a generic driver of some kind. With both that generic driver and now using the drivers in Comment 5, the windows are still jittery with TB 6.0.2. Note that under the Troubleshooting information, nothing is listed under the "Graphics" section now (with TB 6.0.2).
Back to the new drivers, "Graphics" information is now shown with TB 7.0.1, but the windows are still jittery. I have no idea what may have changed, but TB is the ONLY application that displays the jittery windows. All other applications maximize/minimize the windows smoothly.
For comment 22: Yes, it is empty here too. It seems Thunderbird 6 could not provide the information and it was implemented only in TB7. But it looks like the jitter is not caused by the upgrade to TB7 when it now also does in TB6. Can there be any program that can cause this? Have you installed anything around the time you upgraded to TB7 (2011-10-04)? If you do not remember, you can install the "nightly tester tools" extension: https://addons.mozilla.org/sk/thunderbird/addon/nightly-tester-tools/?src=search , then it appears in the Tools menu of Thunderbird. You then use the item "crash me" in the menu. The integrated crash reporter should come up and please submit the crash report. Then go into the folder where thunderbird stores your profile (account settings) (something like c:\users\your name\application data\thunderbird) and there you find folder "crash reports" and inside it a folder submitted. Paste here the names of the files you find there. This will show us the processes and dlls you have loaded at the time of the crash. (So do not have any private/secret applications running which names you don't wish to make public.) But first have you tried to start TB in safe mode? (Help -> start with addons disabled)
Just tried TB in Safe Mode, no change, still jittery. But the only difference this time, is that with TB running in Safe Mode, the Firefox and SeaMonkey windows are NOT jittery. With TB running in "regular mode", all application windows will be jittery, until TB is closed. On the surface, it would now appear that whatever add-ons are not running with TB in Safe Mode, that causes the other application windows to behave normally, with TB running at the same time. Aside from the incremental updates to Firefox and SeaMonkey and the graphics drivers, the only other known updates were to Windows itself.
Now that is very strange :) Can you list the addons you use? They are also listed in the Troubleshooting info.
If you're referring to the "Extensions" heading, there is nothing listed under it. Otherwise, there is no heading referencing "add-ons".
So do you have any extensions in TB? See in Tools->Addons->Extensions.
(In reply to aceman from comment #28) > So do you have any extensions in TB? See in Tools->Addons->Extensions. No add-ons of that type installed.
That means Safe mode didn't really disable much. In addition to disabling extensions (which you don't have any) it also disables HW acceleration. But you have that disabled automatically even in normal mode due to your card model. So I don't know what difference Safe mode actually did. You could try in normal mode, Options->advanced->general->config editor, find layers.acceleration.disabled and toggle it to TRUE. Restart TB.
Component: General → Graphics
Product: Thunderbird → Core
QA Contact: general → thebes
Version: 7 → 7 Branch
Toggling that didn't change anything, the TB windows were still jittery. In Comment 25, I mentioned that as long as Thunderbird is running, all other windows regardless of the application, will also be jittery and jerky, until Thunderbird is closed. I'm wondering if perhaps there might be something graphics-related that is only specific to Thunderbird, that is causing this, since it's the only application that exhibits this jerky behavior.
Are those other apps jerky also when TB is minimized? I understand what you say but my view on it is that there is no way an app (TB) should influence other programs/windows. That would be either an OS (Win 7) bug, driver bug or an intentional feature of the OS. I think TB is either mistakenly triggering some feature (like the compatibility in comment 11) or a bug in the graphics driver. And it is strange that Firefox is not triggering it too, as they have the same basic graphics codebase. Do you have any antivirus? I have seen something like this when my antivirus mistakenly started an app in a sandbox thinking it could be malware. Then the window resizing got awfully slow.
The other apps display jerky windows when TB is minimized or maximized, this is on Windows Vista Home Premium. I am running Avast anti-virus, but have not tried launching TB with Avast disabled.
Ah OK, Windows Vista. Good, the antivirus I mention was also Avast :) It was drawing a red border around the sandboxed application window. That was on Win XP. Could you try to disable it temporarily? (Right click on its icon in systray -> disable all shields for 10 minutes. If you don't want to disable all shields, you can try only disable the sandboxing, the tutorial is here: http://www.brighthub.com/computing/smb-security/articles/110854.aspx)
I disabled all of the shields and launched TB. No difference, the window was still jittery.
I am not sure the sandboxing is part of any of the shields. Can you look at the page on how to disable it in the Avast configuration?
I am using the free version of Avast. In looking at that page, it does not appear that their implementation of it in the free version, will do what needs to be done.
That is fine, I also know only the Free version. But this image is correct: http://images.brighthub.com/35/d/35dcae984d80bf50c1eb3cccc39df2212624356d_large.jpg . Find the Autosandbox there and click Settings. Then tick OFF the "enable autosandbox" option (http://images.brighthub.com/4d/d/4dd5adc3a84f343a26db0384e88df751eea7dfa1_small.jpg).
No change after unchecking the Sandbox option. TB windows still the same.
Have you restarted the computer after turning off the sandbox? Just to be sure.
Yes. Still the same...
Maybe this is a clue... If the Thunderbird window is tiled and it's slightly smaller than full-size (entire screen), the window becomes jittery when it's minimized/maximized. If the window is made smaller while still tiled, it's not jittery. I also tried the same with Firefox 7.0.1 and SeaMonkey 2.4.1, both remain not jittery when maximized/minimized.
I have also tried the 64-bit version of Thunderbird 7.0.1 for 64-bit Linux (Debian) and the same window is not jittery or jerky under Linux. There is also a new update to the nVIDIA driver for Vista, but I have not yet installed it. Since the previous version did not resolve this issue, I'm not sure the new update will either, but I will test it.
I am going to close this as Resolved/Works For Me. The new release of the nVIDIA drivers for this chip (285.62) appears to have resolved this issue. The TB window is no longer jittery or jerkey when min/maximized. :)
Status: UNCONFIRMED → RESOLVED
Last Resolved: 7 years ago
Resolution: --- → WORKSFORME
Good to hear that:) If you see it again, just reopen the bug. But please post the new drive info from about:support so we know what is the good driver exactly.
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