696505 - auto-configuration for rocketmail.com creates incorrect username

Status: RESOLVED DUPLICATE of bug 677048

(Webtools :: ISPDB Server, defect)

Description

[adam.abbott]

User Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/7.0.1
Build ID: 20110928134238

Steps to reproduce:

installed thunderbird (portableapps.com version 7)
used the auto config facility to set up an account (for [e-mail])


Actual results:

the auto config script decided that the account user name was the email alias rather than the full email address


Expected results:

the entire email address should have been used for the username
rocketmail is part of yahoo and there is no restriction to prevent the same alias being used for @rocketmail.com and @yahoo.com addresses, so rocketmail users have to use the entire email address as the user name

Comment 1

[WADA:World Anti-bad-Duping Agency]

Mail server information is kept in ISP DB. See next docs.
> https://wiki.mozilla.org/Thunderbird:Autoconfiguration
> https://wiki.mozilla.org/Thunderbird:Autoconfiguration:MozillaWebservicePublish
To see current info., visit next site.  
http://ispdb.mozillamessaging.com/
  Show all configurations => http://ispdb.mozillamessaging.com/list
  yahoo.com, or rocketmail.com => http://ispdb.mozillamessaging.com/details/6
  (imap relevant information doesn't look shown by this page.)
  (first one=POP3 only seems to be shown by the page.)
As seen in the page, and as you know, yahoo.com and rocketmail.com is owned by Yahoo!. And, all mail domains owned by Yahoo! is defined by single entry of 'emailProvider id="yahoo.com"' in ISPDB.
  https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Thunderbird/Autoconfiguration#ISPDB
  https://live.mozillamessaging.com/autoconfig/v1.1/rocketmail.com

AFAIK, Yahoo! initially used account name(no @domainpart) for login, and is still used by some servers owned by Yahoo!.
However, Yahoo! started to use username of <account name>@domainpart in new servers, and forces this new username(with @domainpart) for new domain users like rocketmail.com, or new imap server users. And, current official help document for Yahoo!'s IMAP(officially, mobile users only is supported) refers to this new username(with @domainpart) only.
> http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/mobile/comms/mail/imap-01.html
> Setting up IMAP on your mobile device   Last Updated: September 30, 2010
> To set up IMAP on your mobile device please use these settings:
>    Incoming Server - imap.mail.yahoo.com
>    Outgoing Server - smtp.mail.yahoo.com
>    Incoming Port - 993 (requires SSL)
>    Outgoing Port - 465 (requires SSL/TLS)
>    Username: full email address (for example, [e-mail] or [e-mail])

(1) So, IMAP entry should be changed.
> <incomingServer type="imap"><hostname>imap.mail.yahoo.com</hostname>
> <username>%EMAILLOCALPART%</username> => <username>%EMAILADDRESS%</username>

(2) For POP3.
> http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/mail/classic/mailplus/pop/pop-51.html
> Change the Server Name to "pop.mail.yahoo.com" (with or without "plus." at the beginning, depending on your account type).
> Make sure the Incoming User Name is your Yahoo! ID (your email address without the "@yahoo.com").

So, %EMAILLOCALPART% should be kept. 
> <incomingServer type="pop3"><hostname>pop.mail.yahoo.com</hostname>
> <username>%EMAILLOCALPART%</username>

(3) For SMTP.

(3-a) SMTP guide for POP3 user.
> http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/mail/yahoomail/mailplus/pop/pop-32.html;_ylt=AruhUf43HoUknTx2FV6FnOi7myN4#MicrosoftOutlookExpress
> Yahoo! Mail > Yahoo! Mail > Yahoo! Mail Plus > POP
> How do I enable SMTP server authentication?
>
> Microsoft Outlook Express
> 7. Ensure that Use same settings as my incoming mail server is selected and click OK.
This indicates same user_id as POP3 is used for login to SMTP. However, Outlook Express(and other MS's mailer) may automaticaly try to login with <specified_user_id>@server_name if login with <specified_user_id> fails.  

(3-b) SMTP guide for IMAP user.
> http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/mobile/comms/mail/imap-01.html
> Setting up IMAP on your mobile device   Last Updated: September 30, 2010
> To set up IMAP on your mobile device please use these settings:
> (snip)
>   Outgoing Server - smtp.mail.yahoo.com
>   Username: full email address (for example, [e-mail] or [e-mail])

I think SMTP entry should be changed, unless Yahoo! forces old account name only format(no @domainpart) to old yahoo.com users.
> <outgoingServer type="smtp"><hostname>smtp.mail.yahoo.com</hostname>
> <username>%EMAILLOCALPART%</username>  => <username>%EMAILADDRESS%</username>

Comment 2

[WADA:World Anti-bad-Duping Agency]

In any mailer specific setup guide for POP3 which is provided by Yahoo!, I couldn't find any mention of <account_name>@domainpart format user_id for both POP3 and SMTP.
But I could at last reach next document which refers to user_id of <account_name>@domainpart format for POP3 and SMTP.
> http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/mail/ymail/mailplus/pop/pop-52.html
> Yahoo! Mail > New Yahoo! Mail > Yahoo! Mail Plus > POP 
> Troubleshooting issues when using the Thunderbird Email Client to receive Yahoo! Mail, Last Updated: May 13, 2011
>
> 5. In the "User Name" field, enter your Yahoo! ID.
>    Please note: Your ID is typically your email address without the "@yahoo.com",
>  however, this rule does not apply to "@ymail.com" or "@rocketmail.com" addresses.
> If you have either a "@ymail.com" or "@rocketmail.com" address, be sure to enter the entire email address as your ID.
> (note by me: this is applicable to user_id of SMTP too.)
Yahoo! perhaps bought out "@ymail.com" and "@rocketmail.com" recently.

When other than @ymail.com/@rocketmail.com, does POP3 server of Yahoo! accept login with ID of full email address format? Or rejects it?

When other than @ymail.com/@rocketmail.com, does SMTP server of Yahoo! accept ID of full email address format for any @domainpart owned by Yahoo!? (I guess yes, according to guide by Yahoo! for IMAP.)

Comment 4

[WADA:World Anti-bad-Duping Agency]

> *** This bug has been marked as a duplicate of bug 677048 ***

I dont't think that "use email address(with @domainpart) always" is correct solution for Yahoo! server, as far as that there is Yahoo! server who requests username of account name without @domainpart for login.
To who closed this bug as dup of bug 677048:
Are you sure that Yahoo! accepts username of "account name with @domainpat" for any server which Yahoo! owns, even though Yahoo! states that "account name without @domainpart" is needed for some servers owend by Yahoo!" in his official document?

Comment 5

[Ludovic Hirlimann [:Usul]]

I did close it as a duplicate. and the question as been asked to yahoo officials in bug 677048.