Closed Bug 696684 Opened 14 years ago Closed 11 years ago

After frozen Mac, after Firefox crash or after clean Firefox quit, Session restore failed to restore a lot of tabs, giving windows with no tab

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(Firefox :: Session Restore, defect)

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(Reporter: nicolas.barbulesco, Unassigned)

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Firefox 6.0 on Mac OS X. Usually session restore works pretty well for me. Alas, this time Firefox has restored many of my tabs, but has failed to restore many others. So data loss issue. I had recently installed the buggy extension FlashBlock, so I suspect it, and I have now got rid of it. My Mac had frozen. A bad habit of him. After reboot, I relaunch Firefox. I get the dialog allowing me to restore the session. It lists the windows which were open, and for every window its tabs, and I can untick the ones I don't want to restore. But, among the 30 or so windows, a dozen show no tab. Of course they had tab(s). A window with no tab, that does not make sense. I leave everything ticked, I click Restore, and my windows get restored, except the dozen windows whose tabs are lost. So I get much fewer windows than I had. I rush to my Firefox profile folder, and I copy it. In the copy, I open the sessionstore.bak file. Later on, I will try to restore my session from the contents of this file, after putting it in the sessionstore.js file, and that will give me the same result. So, I look at sessionstore.bak. I find the addresses, in "url" items of "entries" items. And I find my poor windows like this : {"tabs":[],"selected":0,"_closedTabs":[],"width":"1268","height":"806","screenX":"50","screenY":"22","sizemode":"maximized"} List "tabs" : desperately empty. :'-( Sometimes, "selected" is 12 ; sometimes, the list is filled in and contains… the closed tabs ; but the open tabs are definitely lost. So, please make session restore, this oh ! so important feature, more robust. And, taking Murphy's law into account, what about having a few more backups, for salvaging things ? In addition to sessionstore.bak, saving the older sessionstore-01.bak, the even older sessionstore-02.bak… sessionstore-10.bak, one level for 24 hours ? Rolling in safe order : first, write -09's contents to -10, then, write -08's contents to -09… Many thanks, Nicolas
“List "tabs" : desperately empty. :'-( Sometimes, "selected" is 12 ; sometimes, the list is filled in and contains… the closed tabs ; but the open tabs are definitely lost.” Sorry, I forgot something. Please read instead : List "tabs" : desperately empty. :'-( Sometimes, "selected" is 12 ; sometimes, the "_closedTabs" list is filled in and contains… the closed tabs ; but the open tabs are definitely lost.
Firefox 7.0.1 on Mac OS X. This time, no crash. A clean quit, and relaunch. And same problem. This is really disappointing. I thought Firefox was reliable.
And no FlashBlock this time.
Nicolas, a couple things. First, are there any pages you have open when these problems are occurring? Is there some common action you're doing (eg, close all windows, then cmd-q)? Second, your idea for multiple backups is something we may start doing. See bug 558425. Third, can you list your addons? It could be that you have an addon that interfering with the built in session restore. (You can get that information from about:support) Lastly, Can you try something for me to try to repeat this in a controlled environment. If we can't repeat it, then it's going to be hard for us to figure out what's wrong. 1. Make a backup of sessionstore.js (move it outside of your profile folder) 2. Delete sessionstore.js 3. Start Firefox 4. Do some browsing, make careful note of what you have open 5. Quit and start Firefox Did your session get restored?
(In reply to Paul O'Shannessy [:zpao] from comment #4) Thank you Paul for your help in this investigation. > Nicolas, a couple things. First, are there any pages you have open when > these problems are occurring? Is there some common action you're doing (eg, > close all windows, then cmd-q)? Most of the time, I quit cleanly, and then at relaunch Firefox restores my session fully. But sometimes, I quit cleanly and then Firefox restores only a small part of my session. Sometimes, the system or Firefox crashes, and then Firefox restores only a small part of my session. This happened recently on my Firefox Mac 7.0.1 : I was doing nothing in Firefox, in the background, and I was using Safari, and suddenly Firefox crashed ; at relaunch, Firefox restored only a very little part of my session ; thanks God I had a very recent backup of my profile folder, which worked perfectly well. > Second, your idea for multiple backups is something we may start doing. See > bug 558425. Good news. > Third, can you list your addons? It could be that you have an addon that > interfering with the built in session restore. (You can get that information > from about:support) I have no extension. I had Flashblock, but now I have got rid of it, and I still get the problem from time to time. I understand that the sessionstore.js file gets shrunk, but I wonder when that horrible thing happens. I have this hypothesis : That happens at some time when Firefox decides to write the current session to the file, and Firefox looks at all the tabs and writes them. But, in the process, Firefox skips some tabs. Why do these poor tabs get lost in space ? Something along these lines :  - The tab's title is considered empty.  - The tab's address is considered empty.  - The tab is loading some stuff, but contains nothing loaded yet.  - The tab is connecting to a new address, but is not there yet, and, however, Firefox considers that the tab is not anymore at the previous address. These cases could especially happen if we are just after (re)launch. Because, after a re(launch) of Firefox, many tabs are connecting. Or could the problem be linked to the cache ? Tab skipped because its page is no longer in the cache ?
This sounds similar or related to https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=666822
Hello, See : https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=784093 Now Win Vista, Firefox 14.0.1. I was creating many blank Firefox tabs, in order to reproduce a little bug in Firefox — which I will not file, given my mood now. Not 5000, about 50. But supposed to be *empty*. And Firefox crashed badly. At restart, Firefox had lost almost all my tabs. He showed me the restore dialog, but with almost every window having zero tab — which is absurd. This is the bug 696684 I had encountered before on Firefox Mac. I cannot rely on Firefox to keep my tabs, that's too bad. Why do Chrome and Safari cleanly restore all my tabs after a crash, and Firefox can't do so reliably ? On the other hand, only Firefox is capable of restoring my entered form contents. Making Firefox crash-free, and, in case a crash occurs anyway, restore-reliable, would be great ! Thank you, Nicolas
Now Win Vista, Firefox 14.0.1. I have encountered the bug again. Look at this screen photo : attachment GreatRestorationOfTabsByFirefox.png to come. This is really annoying. Please make session restore reliable in Firefox. Thank you.
Windows with an empty list of tabs. Pretty sure that's a duplicate of bug 637020.
Status: UNCONFIRMED → RESOLVED
Closed: 12 years ago
Resolution: --- → DUPLICATE
Sorry, this issue is not a duplicate of the bug 637020. I just have Firefox 23.0.1 Mac crash, and in the restoration there some of these **** "empty" windows. What I have encountered looks more like this : http://dag.wieers.com/blog/what-if-firefox-loses-your-tabs - the comments show that many people have encountered this problem http://awesomelinux.blogspot.com/2013/05/firefox-sessionstorejs-recovery.html However, my issue is different. In some cases in the file sessionstore.js, I have : "tabs":[],"selected":0,"_closedTabs":[]
Status: RESOLVED → UNCONFIRMED
Resolution: DUPLICATE → ---
I forgot to indicate : in this crash of Firefox 23.0.1 Mac, I had my session running for many days. So there is no way that this failure in session restore could be caused by a crash during - or just after - a previous session restore.
Now I have encountered again this nasty bug, in Firefox 23.0.1 Mac. The bug has struck during one save of my session. Now I have one occurrence of "tabs":[] in my file sessionstore.js. And that is one too many. Before the bug struck, I had the Content A in my file sessionstore.js. After the bug **** up one window, I have the Content B in my file sessionstore.js. Please compare these two contents in a text editor like TextWrangler, you will see the problem. Between A and B, I may have modified a bit this window's tabs in Firefox, but I think I did not. The Content A gives this : http://pbrd.co/179keaB The Content B gives this : http://pbrd.co/1fR6sUo Content A, in old file : {"tabs":[{"entries":[{"url":"https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=831880","title":"831880 – Fail to show a PDF - this works in other browsers and PDF 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Nicolas, can you please update Firefox and see if the problem still exists in Firefox 24+? Firefox 24 includes the fix from bug 637020 so it would be worth a shot to see if that's the same issue.
Tim, I don't know how to reproduce this bug. I'm afraid it still occur in Firefox 24. If I can confirm or infirm that, I will tell. By the way, is a newer Firefox supposed to work with a profile coming from an older Firefox ? Is the session file supposed to be compatible without glitch ? The documentation lacks such info. I make clear that the bug 696684 occurs *during the session*. For instance, I have a Firefox 23.0.1 running at home, it has the following pattern : 1) On day 1, I launch Firefox, I start a new session. 2) I use Firefox during 5 days. 3) On day 6, I look at the file sessionstore.js. It looks clean, there is no occurrence of "tabs":[]. 4) I use Firefox during 5 more days. 5) On day 11, I look at the file sessionstore.js. It is now **** up, there are several occurrences of "tabs":[]. 6) I keep using Firefox. Firefox appears to be functioning normally. I examine those windows whom the file does not like, but in Firefox they are like the other windows, I don't find a pathognomonic phenotype.
(In reply to Nicolas Barbulesco from comment #15) > Tim, I don't know how to reproduce this bug. I'm afraid it still occur in > Firefox 24. If I can confirm or infirm that, I will tell. You could update your Firefox 24 and try running that for some days/weeks and see if the problem persists. > By the way, is a newer Firefox supposed to work with a profile coming from > an older Firefox ? Is the session file supposed to be compatible without > glitch ? The documentation lacks such info. Yes, session files are compatible between versions.
I can say that in Firefox 26 the situation is better, I have not encountered the nasty bug. Nicolas
That is great to hear. Thank you Nicolas for reporting back! Should you see the issue again then feel free to re-open this bug.
Status: UNCONFIRMED → RESOLVED
Closed: 12 years ago12 years ago
Resolution: --- → WORKSFORME
And what about making several backups of the file sessionstore ? I think I have seen another bug for this.
Yes, this is not the right bug for that. See bug 558425 and others.
Summary: Session restore failed to restore a lot of tabs, giving windows with no tab — robustness ; a few more session backups → After frozen Mac, Session restore failed to restore a lot of tabs, giving windows with no tab — robustness ; a few more session backups
Summary: After frozen Mac, Session restore failed to restore a lot of tabs, giving windows with no tab — robustness ; a few more session backups → After frozen Mac, after Firefox crash or after clean Firefox quit, Session restore failed to restore a lot of tabs, giving windows with no tab — robustness ; a few more session backups
Alas, I encounter this devastating bug in Firefox 27 Mac. A window with no tab. In my sessionstore.js file, I have this **** entry : {"tabs":[],"selected":0,"_closedTabs":[],"busy":false} And in my sessionstore.bak file too.
Status: RESOLVED → UNCONFIRMED
OS: Mac OS X → All
Hardware: x86_64 → All
Resolution: WORKSFORME → ---
Did Firefox freeze/crash before you encountered this? What add-ons do you have installed?
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Tim, I encountered the bug in this Firefox 27 on a new user on the Mac. The profile of Firefox was new, with no add-on installed. Firefox was running, for several days. Yesterday, my Mac crashed (hello Mavericks !) while I was using Safari, Firefox was running but I was not using him at the moment. And, after restart, Firefox presented me the session restore with the bug. I had a backup of my Firefox profile 3 days old, and there the **** entry is absent. So I can say that the **** entry was written during these 3 days. But when and why ? No sé.
Flags: needinfo?(nicolas.barbulesco)
I encounter again this nasty bug, in Firefox 28. I have an idea. Doing a check on the list of tabs before writing it to "tabs". And, if it is empty, write a warning in a log file, with some context : the date & time, the window, its previous list of tabs… Then I could investigate. Is this possible ? Tim ?
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(In reply to Nicolas Barbulesco from comment #24) > I encounter again this nasty bug, in Firefox 28. What about Firefox 29? We landed a lot of sessionstore changes in the 29 cycle and bug reports from 28 do not really help us :/ > Doing a check on the list of tabs before writing it to "tabs". And, if it is > empty, write a warning in a log file, with some context : the date & time, > the window, its previous list of tabs… Sorry, I don't understand your proposal here.
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Summary: After frozen Mac, after Firefox crash or after clean Firefox quit, Session restore failed to restore a lot of tabs, giving windows with no tab — robustness ; a few more session backups → After frozen Mac, after Firefox crash or after clean Firefox quit, Session restore failed to restore a lot of tabs, giving windows with no tab
Nicolas, couple questions for you ... (In reply to Tim Taubert [:ttaubert] from comment #25) > (In reply to Nicolas Barbulesco from comment #24) > > I encounter again this nasty bug, in Firefox 28. > > Q1. What about Firefox 29? We landed a lot of sessionstore changes in the 29 > cycle and bug reports from 28 do not really help us :/ > > > Doing a check on the list of tabs before writing it to "tabs". And, if it is > > empty, write a warning in a log file, with some context : the date & time, > > the window, its previous list of tabs… > > Q2. Sorry, I don't understand your proposal here.
Flags: needinfo?(nicolas.barbulesco)
(In reply to Tim Taubert [:ttaubert] from comment #25) > What about Firefox 29? We landed a lot of sessionstore changes in the 29 > cycle and bug reports from 28 do not really help us :/ OK, I am using a bit Firefox 29, I will see, or hopefully I will not. > > Doing a check on the list of tabs before writing it to "tabs". And, if it is > > empty, write a warning in a log file, with some context : the date & time, > > the window, its previous list of tabs… > > Sorry, I don't understand your proposal here. The cause of the bug is when session store writes an empty "tabs" list for some window. This must not happen. I explain my proposal : Making session store check the emptiness of the "tabs" list before writing it to the file. And, if the "tabs" list is empty, session store would log this fact to a log file, with some context. This would not solve the bug, but this would help investigating it.
Flags: needinfo?(nicolas.barbulesco)
(In reply to Nicolas Barbulesco from comment #27) > OK, I am using a bit Firefox 29, I will see, or hopefully I will not. Thanks! > The cause of the bug is when session store writes an empty "tabs" list for > some window. This must not happen. > I explain my proposal : > Making session store check the emptiness of the "tabs" list before writing > it to the file. And, if the "tabs" list is empty, session store would log > this fact to a log file, with some context. > This would not solve the bug, but this would help investigating it. I'm not sure if this would help anything because I'm not convinced that we actually write an empty tab list. If you can run your build locally and confirm that this really happens that would indeed be helpful. Should your browser crash it might also be good to create a backup of your profile directory before restarting Firefox. If tabs are missing again on startup we could use that backup and possibly learn some more about your problem from it.
Tim, writing a window with an empty "tabs" list has happened. I have seen it. I have a file sessionstore.js with this problem. I have posted here on this bug file some cases of this problem.
Nicolas, I think we need some more evidence than that. Also as far as I know you're the only one affected by this issue which makes me wonder whether this is some case of a bad hard disk or bad RAM? Without any steps to reproduce this will remain hard to fix or even confirm.
Back when I had the issue (I rarely use FF anymore these days, mostly because of this bug), it wasn't that the window lists were empty, I could open the saved files and would find the sites in the saved session, but there was something that prevented them from getting restored properly. So even though the saved session had all the URLs in it, when it was restored I got all the tabs back, but they were empty. So something else seems/seemed to be going on than empty windows being saved (unless it's possible to save an empty window associated to some URL...)
(In reply to Ronald C.F. Antony from comment #31) > Back when I had the issue (I rarely use FF anymore these days, mostly > because of this bug), it wasn't that the window lists were empty, I could > open the saved files and would find the sites in the saved session, but > there was something that prevented them from getting restored properly. So > even though the saved session had all the URLs in it, when it was restored I > got all the tabs back, but they were empty. You don't happen to have one of those sessionstore.js files still lying around, do you?
I don't think so. I do however remember that the problem was related to the behavior to certain plug-ins. So deinstalling some plug-ins made the issue go away. So I think one thing to look at is how do the windows get restored and where to the plug-ins get their paws on it in the process, because obviously the mere presence of a plug-in shouldn't affect anything, but if something in the communication between standard and plug-in code during window/tab restoration has the potential of going wrong in a way that results in empty tabs, then we might get closer to the cause of this.
Does this still happen? With bug 883609 in beta this should hopefully be fixed. Does anyone still hit this in Firefox 33+?
I haven't encountered this bug in a while. I touch wood. :-) It seems that the bug has been fixed after Firefox 28.
Nicolas, thanks for the update
Status: UNCONFIRMED → RESOLVED
Closed: 12 years ago11 years ago
Resolution: --- → WORKSFORME
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