Create mozilla.community.popcorn discussion forum

RESOLVED WONTFIX

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RESOLVED WONTFIX
7 years ago
7 years ago

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(Reporter: brett, Assigned: dumitru)

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(Reporter)

Description

7 years ago
Hello!  We currently have an existing community group that falls under our old branding.  

a) We'd like to move this to a mozilla mailing list, and associated google group
b) is there a way we can move this google group to a new google group associated with the mozilla list?

The current group is at:
http://groups.google.com/group/web-made-movies-working

Thank you for your help!
"Move" - not easily. I'm afraid you will have to ask people to migrate. But yes, you can certainly have a new group.

Is the group mostly about code development, or mostly not about code development? If the former, mozilla.dev.popcorn is the right name. If the latter, mozilla.community.popcorn would be better - unless you want to widen the topic a bit, and call it mozilla.community.webvideo or something.

Gerv
Also, surely no need for this bug to be confidential.

Gerv
Group: mozilla-confidential
(Reporter)

Comment 3

7 years ago
Hi, Gerv - I had heard that we should keep bugs like this private to avoid spammers on whatever property is created.  Could be an urban myth :)

Re: the name, at the moment we don't want to separate the list into sub categories.  The project benefits from cross pollination between developers and video creators, so we want this to continue.  Community-popcorn would work, sure.  Does it need to be prefixed with Mozilla?  Seems redundant since it is @lists.mozilla.org, and not in keeping with structure on this page https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo

Finally - can we subscribe users of our current list to this new list upon creation?

Thank you!
Brett
Hi Brett,

Definitely a good idea to keep domain registration bugs private, but it's fine to have mailing list creation bugs public. It's not going to affect the spam thing.

The way the combined lists work is that you hav:

A newsgroup: mozilla.community.popcorn
A mailing list: community-popcorn@lists.mozilla.org
A Google Group: mozilla.community.popcorn

So you are right, the mailing list name drops the redundant "mozilla".

I'm not sure if it would even be possible to automatically subscribe people - do you have a list of subscribers? I'm fairly sure we can't randomly ask Google for one - privacy. Only the list owner would have access. But even if we could get it, it could be that some people want to read the new group on the web, and others as a mailing list, and others as a newsgroup - so we should let them choose rather than choosing for them.

Over to server-ops for implementation.

Gerv
Assignee: gerv → server-ops
Summary: Please create popcorn-community list → Create mozilla.community.popcorn discussion forum
(Reporter)

Comment 5

7 years ago
Great.

I am in fact the owner of the list, so yes I can get a list of subscribers. 

This will be a bit tricky - I share your privacy and netiquette concerns here, so her is a proposal:

For the mailing list, we subscribe all folks to the community-popcorn list.  This is what all users have now.

We *invite* everyone to the new google group - I'm pretty certain we can't mass subscribe everyone at any rate according to their new rules.

We also invite folks to the newsgroup.

This would of course be preceded by an email on the current list letting folks know whats up.

I feel that if we simply invite people to join a new list, some percentage will be most will not, and aside from concerns of massively lowering our participation rate, we'll be in this funny position of supporting two groups.

We could of course just stay where we are, but:
a) we have a bunch of people who have signed up on mozillapopcorn.org that are actually not going anywhere at the moment, and they should go to a new site with proper branding/community plumbing
b) its annoying to have people discussing popcorn on a newsgroup of a different name :)

How does that proposal feel?
bg
It's your subscriber list :-)

I _think_ mailman has bulk subscribe capabilities, both opt-in and opt-out. But someone more familiar with it from IT can tell you.

Gerv
You can indeed do mass subscription in Mailman. Either in a textfield, or file attachment. It has the option to notify each new subscriber or to do so silently.

If we were to send a notification email to the list of subscribers we migrate from web-made-movies-working, we might do well to include a message or link to the new Google Group url.
(Assignee)

Updated

7 years ago
Assignee: server-ops → dgherman
(Assignee)

Updated

7 years ago
Whiteboard: [waiting for Giganews and Google]
(Assignee)

Updated

7 years ago
Whiteboard: [waiting for Giganews and Google] → [waiting for Google]
(Assignee)

Comment 8

7 years ago
Giganews created the list, but it doesn't show up on Google.
I sent them an email to verify.
Status: NEW → ASSIGNED
(Assignee)

Comment 9

7 years ago
I sent two more emails to Google. The group is still not on their groups :(
(Reporter)

Comment 10

7 years ago
Dumitru, should we try again?  ie make a new list?

I'm keen to try and move this along.  Ironically, our biggest reason is we want to migrate from google groups!
(Assignee)

Comment 11

7 years ago
I don't know how that would help.
I created two new groups last week, but they're still not on Google groups yet :|
(Reporter)

Comment 12

7 years ago
Ok, in that case, we'll just move forward with the mozilla list.

Dumitru, how will I import users from my current list?
Thanks!
(Assignee)

Comment 13

7 years ago
Hi Brett,
Are you on IRC or any IM? Let's talk there about your options.
My nickname on irc.mozilla.org is 'dumitru', you can find me there.
(Reporter)

Comment 14

7 years ago
As per discussion with Dumitru - please delete this newly created group, so we can create a mailman-only list without dependency on Giganews or Google.
(Assignee)

Comment 15

7 years ago
Done. Removed from Mailman and sent email to Giganews to delete the newsgroup.
Status: ASSIGNED → RESOLVED
Last Resolved: 7 years ago
Resolution: --- → WONTFIX
Whiteboard: [waiting for Google]
Brett: what sort of list you have is your choice, but if you don't have a standard one, it will have the following effects:

- The list won't show up on the page here:
  https://www.mozilla.org/about/forums/
- You won't have any list archives (unless IT configures something specially; at the moment, 
  archiving is delegated to Google Groups)
- Users won't have any way to read or post from the web

I just wanted to check that all of those things are OK with you.

Google unfortunately blows hot and cold; there are periods when they are helpful and responsive, and periods when they aren't. Looks like we are in a cold period :-|

Gerv
(Reporter)

Comment 17

7 years ago
Thanks, Gerv.  I'd certainly prefer the standard route, but Dumitru has been in touch with Google and they seemed to suggest they'd be blowing cold for some time :)

With all that is going on with our project, I didn't want to wait for them. 

-I'd certainly like us to appear on the forum list
-Google archives we can't do anything about ATM
-Ditto for posting from the web, since that's handled by Google.

So I suppose the question is Dumitru - should we simply set it up in the standard way that Gerv suggests, and simply ignore what will be an unanswered request by Google?  Is that possible?

Sorry for back and forth, thanks for continued attention :)
bg
Status: RESOLVED → REOPENED
Resolution: WONTFIX → ---
(Assignee)

Comment 18

7 years ago
Well I already deleted the group from our Mailman and it's removed from Giganews.
On https://www.mozilla.org/about/forums/ are listed only the "forums" - the 3 things combined.
You will have list archives, we enable this with mailman.
And users will be able to browse them, again via mailman web ui.
(Reporter)

Comment 19

7 years ago
Right, so it seems if we need to do this immediately (which we do):

-We won't get on the forums list anyway
-we have archives thanks to mailman
-we have web browsing at least, thanks to mailman

So, this not wanting to let perfect be the enemy of the good, we'll keep moving forward.  Thanks for double checking though, Gerv.
Status: REOPENED → RESOLVED
Last Resolved: 7 years ago7 years ago
Resolution: --- → WONTFIX
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