74492 - who is right ? ( opera | netscape | MSIE | mozilla )

Status: VERIFIED WORKSFORME

(Tech Evangelism Graveyard :: English US, defect, P3)

Description

[Igor Furlan]

My system:
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux 2.2.14-5.0 i686; en-US; 0.8.1) Gecko/20010326

left side of the browsers shows different layout:

NETSCAPE: no advertisement under internet.com logo 
          other data different then other browser

MOZILLA: gray square block instead of advertisement

OPERA: add is there 

MSIE: blank space instead of add


WHO IS RIGHT ?  and WHO is WRONG ?

Igor

Comment 1

[Boris Zbarsky [:bzbarsky]]

*** Bug 74493 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

Comment 2

[Igor Furlan]

Attachment: screenshot NETSCAPE-MOZILLA

Comment 3

[Igor Furlan]

Attachment: screenshot OPERA-MSIE

Comment 4

[Doron Rosenberg (IBM)]

<p><iframe WIDTH=125 HEIGHT=250 MARGINWIDTH=0 MARGINHEIGHT=0 HSPACE=0 VSPACE=0
FRAMEBORDER=0 SCROLLING=no BORDERCOLOR="#000000"
SRC="http://netadsrv.iworld.com/html.ng/site=internetcom&PagePos=10&size=125x250&channel=linux&content_site=www.linuxtoday.com&feature=FEATURE"><script
LANGUAGE="JavaScript1.1"
SRC="http://netadsrv.iworld.com/js.ng/site=internetcom&PagePos=10&size=125x250&channel=linux&content_site=www.linuxtoday.com&feature=FEATURE&Params.richmedia=yes"></script><noscript><a
HREF="http://netadsrv.iworld.com/click.ng/site=internetcom&PagePos=10&size=125x250&channel=linux&content_site=www.linuxtoday.com&feature=FEATURE&Params.richmedia=yes"><img
SRC="http://netadsrv.iworld.com/image.ng/site=internetcom&PagePos=10&size=125x250&channel=linux&content_site=www.linuxtoday.com&feature=FEATURE&Params.richmedia=yes"></a></noscript></iframe>

that is the code in question 

Comment 5

[timeless]

http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Flinuxtoday.com%2Fnews_story.php3
%3Fltsn%3D2001-04-02-010-21-NW-CY-MD&doctype=HTML+3.2

     Error: unknown entity "PagePos" (explanation...)
     Line 2, column 623: 
       ... 
rv.iworld.com/html.ng/site=internetcom&PagePos=10&size=468x60&channel= ...
                                                             ^
& is supposed to be enocoded according to w3.

Comment 6

[/\/\arcio Galli]

There are other issues,  but the advertising issue is:

Try same browser a lot of reloads,... 
sometimes there is an advertising ,.. sometimes not.. 
:-)
server side.. 

Comment 7

[Keyser Sose]

Moving...Marking NEW.

Comment 8

[Igor Furlan]

mozilla 0.9 for Linux does not render the page correctly. Or, perhaps, NS4.x
does it wrong. Please see the attached gif file

Comment 9

[Igor Furlan]

Attachment: comparison NS4.X versus mozilla 0.9

Comment 10

[Bob Clary [:bc] (inactive)]

Run this through the HTML Validator at http://validator.w3.org/. Ignore the
entity errors. Look at all of the misplaced HTML elements. <TITLE> inside of a
table for example, or <TABLE> inside of a <FONT> and so on.  

This is a prime example of coding to quirks/bugs in earlier browsers and not
using STANDARD HTML. Definitely an Evanglism issue, but how do we educate them
about achieving the same layout in the older browsers? I have found from
experience that making the HTML Valid ends up horking the layout in the
older/quirky browsers which the page author will probably not find acceptable.

Can anyone recode this page so it lays out reasonably in Navigator 4, Internet
Explorer 4, Internet Explorer 5, Netscape 6 and Opera on Windows, Macintosh and
Linux ?  If not, then we will have a hard time convincing them to break their
layout for us.

Comment 11

[timeless]

I think we have another bug for the table issue.

However, bugzilla is a bug tracking system, not a web browser :-)

Comment 12

[Igor Furlan]

Perhaps, mozilla should put a white background instead of grey one.
Please click on the attached gif file. You can see on the same gif file
4 browswer from left to right:
Netscape 4.72 on Linux
mozilla 0.9 on Linux
MSIE4.0 on WIN98
opera 5.0 on WIN98

Comment 13

[Igor Furlan]

Attachment: 4 browsers NS.4.72,moz0.9,MSIE4.0, OPERA 5.0

Comment 14

[timeless]

*** Bug 82916 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

Comment 15

[Bob Clary [:bc] (inactive)]

Arun, I'm giving you all the Linux bugs. If these bugs can be confirmed for
other OS's please (someone) change the Platform/OS to All/All and reassign to
the default Evangelism Component Owner.

Comment 16

[Igor Furlan]

It seems that LinuxToday's folk fixed their HTML coding. Their
page renders in all 4 browsers in the same way. I am talking here
about NS4.x, MSIE, mozilla0.9.2 and opera5.0.

two months old screenshot
http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/showattachment.cgi?attach_id=34483

Today's screenshot follows

I do not know what to do. Was this a "bug" or not ?

Comment 17

[Igor Furlan]

Attachment: LinuxToday fixed their HTML coding

Comment 18

[Keyser Sose]

Marking WORKSFORME based on reporters comments. (was probably there problem).

Comment 19

[Bob Clary [:bc] (inactive)]

All Evangelism Bugs are now in the Product Tech Evangelism. See bug 86997 for
details.

Comment 20

[Bob Clary [:bc] (inactive)]

verified