850085 - make http://www.mozilla.org/about/forums/ reference [e-mail] mailing list rather than mozilla.dev.apps.firefox

Status: RESOLVED FIXED

(www.mozilla.org :: Pages & Content, defect)

Description

[:Gavin Sharp [email: [e-mail]]]

"firefox-dev" is a new mailing list intended to replace mozilla.dev.apps.firefox. As such, we should update the forums page to replace mentions of m.d.a.f with references to firefox-dev (more info at https://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox/firefox-dev).

However, the page as it is doesn't really acknowledge the existence of mailing-list only forums. firefox-dev is not a newsgroup/google group/mailing list combination - it only supports posting via the mailing list, with read-only web and nntp archives. So perhaps we'll need to make further edits to clarify the new state of things?

Comment 1

[Gervase Markham [:gerv]]

It's right there, and has been for about a week :-) Directly under mozilla.dev.apps.firefox (given that I seem to remember you said the two are running in parallel for a while).

Gerv

Comment 2

[:Gavin Sharp [email: [e-mail]]]

Ha, didn't notice that! I'd like to gradually deprecate m.d.a.f, so removing it completely from that page (i.e. not directing new people to it) seems like a good first step.

Comment 3

[Michael Burns [:mburns]]

I haven't looked at it recently, but I believe this script reads from the Mozilla.* newsgroups on news.mozilla.org (which, is indirectly controlled by us, via Giganews).

I have marked this list as Not Advertised, which takes it off the lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/ page. I don't believe that will remove it from the script that generates m.o/about/forums/ , however.


As part of the winding down process, we could turn off NNTP replication for this list, which will make it disappear from newsgroup subscribers, Google Groups and the m.o/about/forums/ , but the mailing list itself would function in the interim. But maybe that will create more headaches than it will help?

Comment 4

[Reed Loden [:reed]]

I'm confused why this is assigned to IT. Seems like a gerv thing to me.

Comment 5

[:Gavin Sharp [email: [e-mail]]]

(In reply to Michael Burns [:mburns] from comment #3)
> I haven't looked at it recently, but I believe this script reads from the
> Mozilla.* newsgroups on news.mozilla.org (which, is indirectly controlled by
> us, via Giganews).
> 
> I have marked this list as Not Advertised, which takes it off the
> lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/ page. I don't believe that will remove it from
> the script that generates m.o/about/forums/ , however.

Ah, didn't know this was automated.

> As part of the winding down process, we could turn off NNTP replication for
> this list, which will make it disappear from newsgroup subscribers, Google
> Groups and the m.o/about/forums/ , but the mailing list itself would
> function in the interim. But maybe that will create more headaches than it
> will help?

I don't think we want to do this now. If it's too complicated to hide it from the page, we can just leave it until we shut down mdaf entirely I guess.

Comment 6

[:Gavin Sharp [email: [e-mail]]]

(In reply to Michael Burns [:mburns] from comment #3)
> I haven't looked at it recently, but I believe this script reads from the
> Mozilla.* newsgroups on news.mozilla.org (which, is indirectly controlled by
> us, via Giganews).

Reed points out that this page seems to just be generated from http://viewvc.svn.mozilla.org/vc/projects/mozilla.org/trunk/about/forums/raw-ng-list.txt?view=co and updated manually.

Can't we just remove mdaf from that (and re-run the commit script in that directory)?

Comment 7

[Gervase Markham [:gerv]]

Yes, we can, and that's exactly how I planned to fix this bug. :-) However, I've just had a new baby; give me a little time :-)

Gerv

Comment 8

[Robert Kaiser]

I'm pretty sad and slightly disturbed that mdaf is being shut down entirely. Not even the pretty closed up and mostly development-dead Thunderbird did that.

Comment 9

[:Gavin Sharp [email: [e-mail]]]

(In reply to Robert Kaiser (:[e-mail]) from comment #8)
> I'm pretty sad and slightly disturbed that mdaf is being shut down entirely.
> Not even the pretty closed up and mostly development-dead Thunderbird did
> that.

It's not being shut down yet, but it is being deprecated. If you have specific concerns, I'd be happy to discuss them directly. Send me email?

Comment 10

[Gervase Markham [:gerv]]

gerv@mink:/usr/src/mozilla.org/about/forums$ ./commit 
Sending        index.html
Sending        raw-ng-list.txt
Transmitting file data ..
Committed revision 114131.

Gerv