858315 - Migrate /projects/devpreview out of legacy

Status: RESOLVED FIXED

(www.mozilla.org :: Legacy PHP system, defect, P3)

Description

[Ben (:bensternthal)]

http://www.mozilla.org/projects/devpreview/
redirects

http://www.mozilla.org/projects/devpreview/releasenotes/
no redirect - last updated 2010

http://www.mozilla.org/projects/devpreview/firstrun/
no redirect - last updated 2012 - might be referenced by a project

It looks like the top level directory already redirects, however sub-directories do not. If this content is no longer relevant can we blanket redirect the entire directory?

If not can we move the other 2 pages from legacy and into either the wiki or mdn, then redirect there?

David adding you as needinfo, can you advise on the above?

Comment 1

[David Baron :dbaron: (⌚️UTC-4, no longer working on Mozilla)]

These were in-project links from a Firefox alpha release that we didn't have a codename or an official version number for yet.  (I think it was the one shipped as 3.7a1, but eventually became 4.0.)

Comment 2

[David Baron :dbaron: (⌚️UTC-4, no longer working on Mozilla)]

(In reply to Ben (:bensternthal) from comment #0)
> http://www.mozilla.org/projects/devpreview/
> redirects
> 
> http://www.mozilla.org/projects/devpreview/releasenotes/
> no redirect - last updated 2010

I think this is historically useful and should be maintained, like I presume other release notes have been.  (I believe it's also reachable directly from within the Help menu in the download.)

> http://www.mozilla.org/projects/devpreview/firstrun/
> no redirect - last updated 2012 - might be referenced by a project

I'd be fine redirecting this to a newer first run page (preferably one that suggests updating).

Comment 3

[Justin Crawford [:hoosteeno] [:jcrawford]]

(In reply to David Baron [:dbaron] (don't cc:, use needinfo? instead) from comment #2)

> > http://www.mozilla.org/projects/devpreview/releasenotes/
> 
> I think this is historically useful and should be maintained, like I presume
> other release notes have been.  (I believe it's also reachable directly from
> within the Help menu in the download.)

Could we put this page in the archives, where it will be in good company with many other historic release notes?

http://www-archive.mozilla.org/releases/
http://www-archive.mozilla.org/projects/blackwood/webclient/release-notes/
http://www-archive.mozilla.org/projects/calendar/releases/
http://www-archive.mozilla.org/js/spidermonkey/release-notes/

etc.

Then we can redirect the original URL there. 

> > http://www.mozilla.org/projects/devpreview/firstrun/
> 
> I'd be fine redirecting this to a newer first run page (preferably one that
> suggests updating).

Would this page work?

http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/firstrun/

Comment 4

[Justin Crawford [:hoosteeno] [:jcrawford]]

I spoke too soon: While the archive would seem to be ideal for this, it actually cannot be changed. We'll need to come back with a better solution.

Comment 5

[Justin Crawford [:hoosteeno] [:jcrawford]]

I'm back with a better solution.

(In reply to David Baron [:dbaron] (don't cc:, use needinfo? instead) from comment #2)
> > http://www.mozilla.org/projects/devpreview/releasenotes/
> > no redirect - last updated 2010
> 
> I think this is historically useful and should be maintained, like I presume
> other release notes have been.  (I believe it's also reachable directly from
> within the Help menu in the download.)

We're going to be migrating historically useful Fennec release notes to the wiki (https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=675031#c6). May we do the same with devpreview notes and redirect this URL there?


> > http://www.mozilla.org/projects/devpreview/firstrun/
> 
> I'd be fine redirecting this to a newer first run page (preferably one that
> suggests updating).

May we redirect this to 
http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/firstrun/?

Comment 7

[David Baron :dbaron: (⌚️UTC-4, no longer working on Mozilla)]

(In reply to Justin Crawford [:hoosteeno] from comment #5)
> I'm back with a better solution.
> 
> (In reply to David Baron [:dbaron] (don't cc:, use needinfo? instead) from
> comment #2)
> > > http://www.mozilla.org/projects/devpreview/releasenotes/
> > > no redirect - last updated 2010
> > 
> > I think this is historically useful and should be maintained, like I presume
> > other release notes have been.  (I believe it's also reachable directly from
> > within the Help menu in the download.)
> 
> We're going to be migrating historically useful Fennec release notes to the
> wiki (https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=675031#c6). May we do the
> same with devpreview notes and redirect this URL there?

I suppose so.  Though there's presumably some loss of fidelity involved.  I guess I'm not particularly concerned about this particular case given that archival release notes are far from the most important things around.

But in general, this sort of thing is the reason that when I write Mozilla-related documentation these days, I try to host it on non-mozilla.org sites (which generally means doing it in ways that hinder collaboration).  I think most of the documentation I've written during my time working on Mozilla has either been threatened with deletion unless I actively defended it or migrated from format to format with loss of fidelity.  I think the only exception is things I've written on wiki.mozilla.org, which is why I'm still somewhat willing to write things there.

This is also what TimBL clearly wrote about in 1998, here:  http://www.w3.org/Provider/Style/URI.html .

I've essentially given up on that fight within Mozilla, though.

> > > http://www.mozilla.org/projects/devpreview/firstrun/
> > 
> > I'd be fine redirecting this to a newer first run page (preferably one that
> > suggests updating).
> 
> May we redirect this to 
> http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/firstrun/?

Sounds reasonable.

Comment 8

[Justin Crawford [:hoosteeno] [:jcrawford]]

> > We're going to be migrating historically useful Fennec release notes to the
> > wiki (https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=675031#c6). May we do the
> > same with devpreview notes and redirect this URL there?
> 
> I suppose so. 

Excellent. Thanks very much.

> I think most of the documentation I've written during my
> time working on Mozilla has either been threatened with deletion unless I
> actively defended it or migrated from format to format with loss of
> fidelity.

I hear you. I'm sorry to be the agent of the latest threat to these documents. 

> > 
> > May we redirect this to 
> > http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/firstrun/?
> 
> Sounds reasonable.

Great!

Comment 9

[Justin Crawford [:hoosteeno] [:jcrawford]]

Thanks in part to the great comments above, we are building a new archival server (bug 892152) for content that needs to stay on the web, but can't stay on www.mozilla.org. In the process of documenting this new server I migrated the devpreview/releasenotes content there. 

I think we can close this bug by redirecting...

a) http://www.mozilla.org/projects/devpreview/releasenotes/ to http://website-archive.mozilla.org/www.mozilla.org/devpreview_releasenotes/projects/devpreview/releasenotes/index.html

b) http://www.mozilla.org/projects/devpreview/firstrun/ to 
http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/firstrun/

... and then deleting the content from SVN.

Comment 10

[Jennifer Bertsch [:jbertsch]]

To do:  make the redirects in comment #9 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=858315 and then delete the full /projects/devpreview directory from SVN.

projects/devpreview is already redirecting to http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/channel/

Comment 11

[Steven Garrity [:sgarrity]]

Redirects are in https://github.com/mozilla/bedrock/pull/1278

Will remove the files from SVN once these redirects are in place.

Comment 12

[[github robot]]

Commits pushed to master at https://github.com/mozilla/bedrock

https://github.com/mozilla/bedrock/commit/5948a7f8f537ea236de6caa52f1c19758d3a9594
Redirects for /projects/devpreview for Bug 858315

https://github.com/mozilla/bedrock/commit/14f4397bf0e297ea8768d2eecd3652f8f2b1d400
Merge pull request #1278 from sgarrity/bug-858315-devpreview

Redirects for /projects/devpreview for Bug 858315

Comment 13

[raymond [:retornam] (inactive)]

fixed on stage

Comment 14

[raymond [:retornam] (inactive)]

fixed on production

Comment 15

[Steven Garrity [:sgarrity]]

How about the system-requirements page? It'll be the only file left in /project/devpreview/

http://www.mozilla.org/projects/devpreview/system-requirements.html

Comment 16

[Steven Garrity [:sgarrity]]

Attachment: bug-858315.diff

Another delete-only patch to remove now-redirected files from SVn.

Comment 17

[Justin Crawford [:hoosteeno] [:jcrawford]]

:sgarrity, I think we can archive that to ...

http://website-archive.mozilla.org/www.mozilla.org/devpreview_releasenotes/projects/devpreview/system-requirements.html

... then redirect, then delete from SVN, then get rid of /devpreview. Woo!

The archive steps (which will need to be slightly modified for this situation) are here:

https://github.com/mozilla/archiver_toolkit

Let me know if the specific steps for archiving this file need clarification.

Comment 18

[Steven Garrity [:sgarrity]]

Release notes are archived here: http://website-archive.mozilla.org/www.mozilla.org/devpreview_releasenotes/projects/devpreview/system-requirements.html

Pull request for redirect here: https://github.com/mozilla/bedrock/pull/1285

Comment 19

[[github robot]]

Commit pushed to master at https://github.com/mozilla/bedrock

https://github.com/mozilla/bedrock/commit/c8147353af3c471db74c3f7d4be772823e00496e
Bug 858315: Redirect to archived devpreview release notes

Comment 20

[Jennifer Bertsch [:jbertsch]]

Please delete these 3 files from SVN:

http://viewvc.svn.mozilla.org/vc/projects/mozilla.org/trunk/projects/devpreview/firstrun/index.html
http://viewvc.svn.mozilla.org/vc/projects/mozilla.org/trunk/projects/devpreview/releasenotes/index.html
http://viewvc.svn.mozilla.org/vc/projects/mozilla.org/trunk/projects/devpreview/system-requirements.html

Comment 21

[Steven Garrity [:sgarrity]]

(In reply to Jennifer Bertsch [:jbertsch] from comment #20)
> Please delete these 3 files from SVN:
> 
> http://viewvc.svn.mozilla.org/vc/projects/mozilla.org/trunk/projects/
> devpreview/firstrun/index.html
> http://viewvc.svn.mozilla.org/vc/projects/mozilla.org/trunk/projects/
> devpreview/releasenotes/index.html
> http://viewvc.svn.mozilla.org/vc/projects/mozilla.org/trunk/projects/
> devpreview/system-requirements.html

Done in r139539.