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Russian translations of at least the webmaster and layer evangelism letters. See #86690 tracking bug for detail. Translator: Deyana Novakovic.
Andrew, giving to you since you will be doing the work.
Progress: Sat down with the translator (Deyana Markovic) to examine the problem of technical phrases; spent a merry afternoon googling for English-Russian technical dictionaries, finally found one that's not a deadtree book for sale :) Query: Are "brands" such as 'mozilla', 'Netscape' etc to be used "as is"? Is there an i8ln standard or convention for this?
yes don't translate netscape or mozilla. fwiw there's a dictionary @ microsoft.com for commonly used ui strings... (i think for all lnaguages w2k localizes to)
All Evangelism Bugs are now in the Product Tech Evangelism. See bug 86997 for details.
Just a little question, sorry for posting it here: I am a Russian, how can I contribute to the translation? I have not found any information on mozilla.org
Nikolai: Just read what needs to be transtated at bug 86690 (comment by Bob Clary, June 22, 10:26). Post the translated files as attachements to this bug (use the proper codepage - which is KOI8, I believe). Read the history of the finished Polish translation bug 92342 - it may help you avoid some traps I fell into on the way.
Well, my comment to the posted texts: just as I assumed, they are awful. They _could_ have been understood by the webmasters, but I doubt they would want to lose their (valuable) time to decipher them - the language is quite cryptic. Andrew, thanks for posting them, I'm already firing up XEmacs. Wish me luck. BTW, the original letters are missing (Jacek, links posted by Bob are 404-ed now), I will certainly be able to figure out what was meant, but I also wish I could have the originals too. Second question is: are the variable names in Evangelism start page to be translated? I concluded they should, from what I've read in bug 92342. But, I think we should better leave them in English, just because translitterated Russian looks awful and aches the eyes :))
PS. There are still issues to check out: 1. Translation of Bugzilla itself - it bring advantages to the final product and if people will use translated interface for Evangelism, they should be able to use translated (or maybe even simplificated - it's too complicated for virgin minds :))) Bugzilla interface. 2. Bugzilla should also be standards-compliant :)) Look at the code it generates.... 3. My personal wish - get rid of rc-variables in letter.html. Or re-invent them. Or at least write comments on how they would be used. English is a quite simple language, others have issues like changing endings of words, changing word order, etc. And there is no worse publicity than improper use of language on a page - the law is: if you can't do it properly, don't do it at all. Andrew, just one more question - the file attached should be separated in four _text_ files, shouldn't it? Then I'll just cut the HTML-tags out...
Sorry for spam, but could someone _please_ send me the original (English) letters? The machine-translation is really difficult to decipher ;) Thanks in advance.
Nikolai, URLs I used for the sources of the machine translation: http://mozilla-evangelism.bclary.com/letter/en-layer-evangelism-letter.txt http://mozilla-evangelism.bclary.com/letter/en-webmaster-evangelism-letter.txt http://mozilla-evangelism.bclary.com/letter/en-tls-evangelism-letter.txt http://mozilla-evangelism.bclary.com/letter/en-plugin-developer-evangelism-letter.txt - 'en-layer' becomes 'ru-layer' etc.
Sorry, Andrew, they are gone :((( I try my best to finish this thing anyway - it took longer than I expected.
Me again. I have almost done the rough (unedited) tranlation of everything. I just have an other topic of discussion, which I think is very important: why do we translate the letters? Because we want the webmasters to understand them. Why the hell do we give English "Netscape-Developers'" links to them? It's absurd - I guess, I'd rather be rewriting the whole thing according to russian traditions and practices AND giving them translated stuff - like translations of A List Apart's texts, translated W3C Standards' Texts etc. And once again - there is no point in pointing them to Bugzilla, if they don't understand English, since Bugzilla has not been yet translated. So, that's my point of view on this topic: How do you think I should proceed, translate unchanged or "localised"?
Nikolai, I have some comments on your comments. 1. For Japanese at least, it helps to explain the problem in Japanese. Technical people are often used to reading technical materials in English. But if there are complex issues, it would really help to provide exaplanation in the native language. This is not perfect but better than conducting everything in English. 2. For the Japanese letter, I am including Japanese references when they are available. So, that is every translator should think about. 3. In the above, translation is a minomer in this case. Good translation of evangelism letters would be more like 'localization' which means translation + adapting to local conventions + other things to make it more usable for the target language people. 4. So in summary, as long as you don't disturb the mail script part of the letter tool, you can be creative in localizing the letter files. (That is what I am doing for Japanese.)
the english and polish versions of the tech-letter-xx.html have been checked in. What is the status of this translation? Has it been reviewed? Even if it is out of date should we check it in anyway?
Well, I'm sorry to say that the russian version has been almost forgotten in between other work. :( I'll try to find what's left (I hope there is something, but I had several hard drive crashes in the time, so there is not much hope). I think a [help-needed] would be appropriate - I do not have anything which could be checked in now.
No problem. I apologize for not being more active myself. Please work from the latest versions of the tech-letter-en.html in bug 86690.
andrew's mail bounces and Nicolai can no longer work on evangelism, -> WONTFIX If anyone is interested in this, please contact me before beginning any work as the evangelism effort may be undergoing some changes.