Closed Bug 915996 Opened 12 years ago Closed 12 years ago

Domain registration and Hosting for Mozilla Kerala Community

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(Mozilla Reps Graveyard :: Community IT Requests, task)

Product:
Mozilla Reps Graveyard
Component:
Community IT Requests
Type:
task
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Not set
Severity:
normal

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Status:
RESOLVED WONTFIX

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(Reporter: jsx, Assigned: Debloper)

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User Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/28.0.1500.95 Safari/537.36 Steps to reproduce: I would like to request domain registration and hosting for the Mozilla Kerala community. Kerala is a federal state in Indian union. We have established a strong community here and we are growing stronger and larger. We would like to request a domain to be registered as well as a VPS hosting for the same for the facilitation of the further growth of our community and projects. Mozilla Kerala on FB: http://facebook.com/MozillaKerala # Where the users will mainly come from (Europe, America, etc) >> India (Asia) # What will run on it (wiki, bugzilla, podcast system, blogs, etc...) >> Wiki, bugzilla, blogs, community projects, vcs, portal etc # An estimation of the number of visitors (or bandwidth used) >> 20Gb per month should be enough. # Do you have a sysadmin to manage the server? >> Yes. # if so, which distribution do you want? (for VPS and dedicated servers only) >> Ubuntu 12.04 LTS # Type of hosting required >> VPS (Will post domain once the request is approved.)
Looks good to me Over to Deb for approval I have a few questions about why you need a VPS and other solutions wouldn't be sufficient, but lets worry about that after approval :)
Status: UNCONFIRMED → NEW
Ever confirmed: true
Flags: remo-approval?
Flags: needinfo?(debloper)
Kerala is a part of India, and so, before I even start considering whether this is worth considering - can you please explain if you're facing any challenge/difficulties operating with Mozilla India? (would be better to have the explanation bit on mailing list, though) As far as I'm concerned, this wasn't even remotely discussed with the Mozilla India community, or community members, or leaders, or there has been any perceivable issues in recent while. We've worked hard to have _one_ Mozilla India community - created & then obsoleted pune.mozillaindia.org, delhi.mozillaindia.org etc. by my own hand, to stop fragmentation in the community. I can't let it break into pieces for no reasons.
Assignee: nobody → debloper
Status: NEW → RESOLVED
Closed: 12 years ago
Flags: remo-approval?
Flags: remo-approval-
Flags: needinfo?(debloper)
Resolution: --- → WONTFIX
(In reply to Soumya Deb [:Debloper] from comment #2) > Kerala is a part of India Every individual community is working for one core goal - Mozilla. But still there are individual sub-communities, right? Mozilla India, Mozilla UK etc. So why say that Kerala is part of India, India is part of Asia and so and so? > explain if you're facing any challenge/difficulties operating with Mozilla India? (I don't want to say it here, so I'm mailing this part of my reply directly to debloper@gmail.com. Please feel free to forward it to the mailing list at your discretion.) > As far as I'm concerned, this wasn't even remotely discussed with the > Mozilla India community, or community members, or leaders As required in the SOP, I have the consensus of the community I'm part of (and representing here) - the Mozilla Kerala community. Community discussions happen at our Fb group (https://www.facebook.com/groups/MozillaKerala/) or through our mailing list. We had a physical meetup too, last week, and this IT request is a result of the plans and resolutions we reached there. > We've worked hard to have _one_ Mozilla India community - created & then obsoleted pune.mozillaindia.org, > delhi.mozillaindia.org etc. by my own hand, to stop fragmentation in the > community. I can't let it break into pieces for no reasons. Why was Mozilla India community created in the first place when there was already the global Mozilla community. Or why was Mozilla Russia or any such other regional community created? To be able to concentrate on shorter and familiar geographic areas and hence be more effective, right? We are only trying to achieve the same thing with Mozilla Kerala. We want to concentrate on an area and population of more than 30M people (that is more than the population of Canada or Sri Lanka or several other countries). * So I can't see why you insist on 'Mozilla India' being the "_one_" Mozilla community in India? * Why do you insist everyone else from India should be 'under' it? * Why can't we be a different community and co-exist and co-operate towards the common goal? * Why should we have a "parent" Mozilla India community and inherit its leaders, and ways?
I humbly request you to reconsider the request.
Reply email sent. Feel free to reopen the bug, if so required.
Deb - this isn't your call to make, it should go to council.
Reopening for reconsideration.
Status: RESOLVED → REOPENED
Resolution: WONTFIX → ---
(In reply to Saurabh Nair [:jsx] from comment #3) > (In reply to Soumya Deb [:Debloper] from comment #2) > > Kerala is a part of India > Every individual community is working for one core goal - Mozilla. But still > there are individual sub-communities, right? Mozilla India, Mozilla UK etc. > So why say that Kerala is part of India, India is part of Asia and so and so? Mozilla India wasn't created because it didn't like to work with Mozilla.org, or didn't like the ways it operated. The examples of the sub-communities you gave, non of them were formed (or should be formed) on the base of non-cooperation. > > explain if you're facing any challenge/difficulties operating with Mozilla India? > (I don't want to say it here, so I'm mailing this part of my reply directly > to debloper@gmail.com. Please feel free to forward it to the mailing list at > your discretion.) Brief: non-cooperation, as in "we don't like the way you did that". And as I've replied, the correct course of action should be, to step up & try to fix the problem being in the system. > > We've worked hard to have _one_ Mozilla India community - created & then obsoleted pune.mozillaindia.org, > > delhi.mozillaindia.org etc. by my own hand, to stop fragmentation in the > > community. I can't let it break into pieces for no reasons. > > Why was Mozilla India community created in the first place when there was > already the global Mozilla community. Or why was Mozilla Russia or any such > other regional community created? To be able to concentrate on shorter and > familiar geographic areas and hence be more effective, right? So you mean to say, you're planning next to set up Mozilla Kochi in your city? Or, may be Mozilla Saurabh Nair's Residential Terrace - that oughta short enough geographic area! The regional focus doesn't need to be far fetched. Every tool/device/theory has its application limit. Mozilla India is doing great, compared to other Mozilla Communities - especially on the outreach. If you mean to say Kerala, which is 1.1% of entire India by area & 2.7% by population - then you're creating the prospect of 50-90 different communities JUST INSIDE of India, derived from Mozilla India. How scalable/manageable do you think that is? Also, if Mozilla India is doing well with the 90%+ areas & is not with a very limited set - who's problem do you think it generally means? Here to note: we have very active, long term Mozillains from Kerala (brilliant ones - some of them are in WebDev/InfraOps/IT as well). They never needed a separate community. And the Facebook group you've made - I don't think any of them having very long-term, high-impact history with Mozilla - on which basis the baton be handed over to this group? (In reply to Majken Connor [Kensie] from comment #6) > Deb - this isn't your call to make, it should go to council. Kensie, this is very much my call to make. The purpose of the remo-review/approval IS to gather feedback from the local community. As one of the local community lead & on behalf of Mozilla India, I'm giving my feedback. I'm suggesting to continue the discussion with emails, and disengaging from bloating this bug with comments.
Deb, I'd suggest that you do take this to council. You have a pretty strong personal opinion in this, so you should discuss it with the rest of council, explain what you don't like and see what they say Two sets of eyes is better than one in this kind of case.
(In reply to Soumya Deb [:Debloper] from comment #8) > The examples of the sub-communities you gave, non of them were formed (or should be formed) on > the base of non-cooperation. Did I say anything about non-co-operation with any community? In fact, is you read my mail to you yesterday, you can see me saying this: "If you truly want the best for Mozilla, the best thing you can do is to support our autonomous community. Nothing is stopping two independent communities to work in co-operation, if ever the need be." Did you miss it? > > > explain if you're facing any challenge/difficulties operating with Mozilla India? > > (I don't want to say it here, so I'm mailing this part of my reply directly > > to debloper@gmail.com. Please feel free to forward it to the mailing list at > > your discretion.) > > Brief: non-cooperation, as in "we don't like the way you did that". > And as I've replied, the correct course of action should be, to step up & > try to fix the problem being in the system. Well, that's one way to brief it.. > > Why was Mozilla India community created in the first place when there was > > already the global Mozilla community. Or why was Mozilla Russia or any such > > other regional community created? To be able to concentrate on shorter and > > familiar geographic areas and hence be more effective, right? > > So you mean to say, you're planning next to set up Mozilla Kochi in your > city? Now that you have said it, whats wrong with Mozilla Kochi? Mozilla recommends creating individual Firefox/Mozilla clubs in every school or college. So if Mozillians in Kochi wishes to team up like that, they definitely should set up Mozilla Kochi, imo. > Or, may be Mozilla Saurabh Nair's Residential Terrace ha ha ha > Mozilla India is doing great, compared to other Mozilla Communities - > especially on the outreach. Subjective. > If you mean to say Kerala, which is 1.1% of entire India by area & 2.7% by > population - then you're creating the prospect of 50-90 different > communities JUST INSIDE of India, derived from Mozilla India. How > scalable/manageable do you think that is? You make it sound bad. 50 special focus grousp co-operating together sounds more efficient. > 50-90 communities JUST INSIDE of India Population of India is 1237M. You think 50 communities/special-focus-groups is too much in that? > Also, if Mozilla India is doing well with the 90%+ areas & is not with a > very limited set - who's problem do you think it generally means? Doing well in "90%+ area"? According to whom? Don't kid yourself. Please remind me what "Mozilla India" did so far in Kerala? Is there one event? One something, something or something "Mozilla India" did that you can point out? Mozilla India is doing well in some parts of the country, like Pune, Delhi etc. But it doesn't do anything at all in lot more areas. > Here to note: we have very active, long term Mozillains from Kerala > (brilliant ones - some of them are in WebDev/InfraOps/IT as well). They > never needed a separate community. And the Facebook group you've made - I > don't think any of them having very long-term, high-impact history with > Mozilla - on which basis the baton be handed over to this group? Please share the info of 1 or 2 of the above said "Mozillians from Kerala", whos functional area is in Kerala. (If you meant people who are Keralite by origin, but not working/staying/doing-anything in Kerala, yes, there are 2-3) PS: The "Mozilla Kerala" agenda is not to create a rival community, or to compete with anyone.
Now that the Summit is over, can we please take this ahead?
I see that there is MozillaIndia.org already registered by MoCo. Who maintains the MozillaIndia.org website? Since Kerala is a region within India, why not utilize the existing domain for consolidated contents?
(In reply to Robert DC. Reyes from comment #12) > Who maintains the MozillaIndia.org website? I'm guessing Soumya Deb. Not sure though. > Since Kerala is a region within India, why not utilize the existing domain > for consolidated contents? Sorry, but I think you are confusing India with "Mozilla India". Kerala is a region within India (the country), yes. But "Mozilla India"/mozillaindia.org does not represent India. "Mozilla India" is just a/nother Mozilla Community in India, albeit large. The "Mozilla Kerala" community is not part of or a sub-community of the "Mozilla India" community. "Mozilla Kerala" is a part of the global "Mozilla" Community, just like how "Mozilla India" is. So may be a domain like "community.mozilla.org/kerala" might work too. But it will bring in technical limitations and legal considerations, so we believe the best is to use a separate domain. Despite having common goals - we have different projects, process, style and structure. So it doesn't make sense to share the same domain and hosting.
Saurabh, there is a thread stared at community India mailing list [1] & the same has been shared at Kerala group discussing on the topic, it would be great if you could spend some time reading it and share your thoughts. Happy to discuss more on this. Thanks! [1] https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.community.india/m1Soxk5ZRYs
(In reply to Vineel from comment #14) Hi Vineel, I've been following that thread since the beginning. Actually, the idea of making a "Mozilla Kerala" portal wasn't mine. And I was the first (and only) person to raise objection when the making a portal came up in project discussion session at Mozilla Community Meetup held in Kerala last month [1]. I objected because I believed all we would need to work as a community is our Fb group and then our Fb page for outreach. But the attendees proposed several ideas and projects that would need a website. And I also was convinced. Your discussion mail linked above was delivered to ~50 recipients of the "Mozilla Kerala" mailing list (mozillakerala@googlegroups.com). This includes ~25/30 of the most active community members. Even though nobody replied to your discussion mail, several people expressed their concerns of "Mozilla India" opposing us having a website when 10 of us met on Saturday (Oct 19) for a Webmaking event in a school. My opinion regarding the matter (not being part of "Mozilla India" and having a separate web identity) is more or less the same as what Kinshuk Sunil said in the thread:- > A hub is critical for a local community to have an impact rather than dilution amongst a perceived > parent community.‎ The hub also serves the purpose of highly granular content resource that the parent > community can never be. > Also the hub becomes a chronological record of everything the local community has been doing which > cannot always be relevant at the parent community level. > IMHO, local groups and regional communities should work with a model that befits ‎their needs and > ground realities. Pursuing a meta model can be detrimental on a case-to-case basis. [1] https://reps.mozilla.org/e/mozilla-community-meetup-kerala/
(In reply to Saurabh Nair [:jsx] from comment #13) > (In reply to Robert DC. Reyes from comment #12) > > Who maintains the MozillaIndia.org website? > I'm guessing Soumya Deb. Not sure though. > > > Since Kerala is a region within India, why not utilize the existing domain > > for consolidated contents? > Sorry, but I think you are confusing India with "Mozilla India". Kerala is a > region within India (the country), yes. But "Mozilla India"/mozillaindia.org > does not represent India. "Mozilla India" is just a/nother Mozilla Community > in India, albeit large. > > > The "Mozilla Kerala" community is not part of or a sub-community of the > "Mozilla India" community. "Mozilla Kerala" is a part of the global > "Mozilla" Community, just like how "Mozilla India" is. So may be a domain > like "community.mozilla.org/kerala" might work too. But it will bring in > technical limitations and legal considerations, so we believe the best is to > use a separate domain. Despite having common goals - we have different > projects, process, style and structure. So it doesn't make sense to share > the same domain and hosting. I do not get it. Is Kerala geographically and by territory under India, the country?
(In reply to Robert DC. Reyes from comment #16) > Is Kerala geographically and by territory under India, the country? Yes. > Does the "Mozilla India" community represent the entire Mozilla community of India, the country? No. > Is "Mozilla Kerala" *community* a part of "Mozilla India" *community*? No. That's what I meant.
(In reply to Saurabh Nair [:jsx] from comment #17) > (In reply to Robert DC. Reyes from comment #16) > > Is Kerala geographically and by territory under India, the country? > Yes. > > > Does the "Mozilla India" community represent the entire Mozilla community of India, the country? > No. > > > Is "Mozilla Kerala" *community* a part of "Mozilla India" *community*? > No. > > That's what I meant. Thanks for the inputs. However, it is NOT POLITE for one to rephrase a quoted inquiry or sets of questions. For someone who will follow the trail of messages, it may appear that all of the questions you had replied to in Comment 17 came from me.
Since Kerala is part and parcel of geographic and territorial India, I do not see the logic of having a separate "community". Mozilla promotes oneness, why separate yourselves from the rest of the country? If there are internal squabbles from within the Indian Community, better resolve if first among yourselves. In-differences will not be resolved by the creation of factions nor sub-community if you all belong to a bigger community, which represents your country.
(In reply to Robert DC. Reyes from comment #19) > Mozilla promotes oneness, why separate yourselves from the rest of the country? As I've explained in previous comments, this is not a non-co-operation thing. This is not about competition, or discrimination or rivalry of any sorts. But for some reason, everyone has been taking this as a non-co-operation, turf war kinda issue from the beginning. This will be exactly how "Mozilla UK" and "Mozilla Singapore" exist at the same time and can collaborate if required. The identity is not for separation, but for focused activities. > If there are internal squabbles from within the Indian Community, better > resolve if first among yourselves. In-differences will not be resolved by > the creation of factions nor sub-community if you all belong to a bigger > community, which represents your country. To make it clear, "Mozilla Kerala" is not a group that *split* away from "Mozilla India". "Mozilla Kerala" is a new community that formed here, out of necessity ("Mozilla India" had no activities in Kerala). Probably other than myself, no one else in "Mozilla Kerala" was part of "Mozilla India" before. So *splitting away* due to squabble is not really the case here. > Since Kerala is part and parcel of geographic and territorial India, I do not see the > logic of having a separate "community". This request is not about creating a new community. The community ("Mozilla Kerala") is already there and functioning, for the last several months. This ticket is a request to provide us with some tools we need (domain and hosting), for the existing community. > logic of having a separate "community". And about the logic of having a separate community, I'm quoting what Kinshuk Sunil ("Mozilla India" member, I'm guessing) said in a discussion thread in "Mozilla India" mailing list regarding "Mozilla Kerala" website. (Some part of the below quoted text is repeated in a previous comment too, but I'm not trimming that away, so that the words retain their full essence) > A community is not an organisation. Mozilla City / Mozilla State / Mozilla Country > has no meaning or purpose other than ascribed to it by its member. > > A hub is critical for a local community to have an impact rather than dilution > amongst a perceived parent community.‎ The hub also serves the purpose of highly > granular content resource that the parent community can never be. > > Also the hub becomes a chronological record of everything the local community > has been doing which cannot always be relevant at the parent community level. > > IMHO, local groups and regional communities should work with a model that > befits ‎their needs and ground realities. Pursuing a meta model can be > detrimental on a case-to-case basis.
I'm going to attempt to make this simple: Kerala *IS* included in Mozilla India. However, due to the natural way that community works, a Kerala community has formed itself. Bob, note that a community is not accepted or declined, and to do so is wrong. This is not a sub community, nor is it optional This bug is here to offer hosting to such communities. Remember that you can't wake up in the morning and say you're going to create a community, before we offer hosting etc, we need to see a community. So far, I see a strong Kerala community. I don't care if Mozilla India covers Kerala, there is still a community in Kerala with *NO* relevance to Mozilla India except being in the same territory. I don't see why this bug isn't being approved or declined. We're here to offer communities resources, not to squabble about wether the community should exist. And to do so, I find quite pathetic. Please approve or decline this bug, regardless of wether you agree it should be here or not. Fact is, there's a community here, and community is not dictated by council, IT or anyone. Feel free to continue discussion about the need of this community, but outside of this bug.
(In reply to Thomas [:Tad] from comment #21) > I'm going to attempt to make this simple: > Kerala *IS* included in Mozilla India. > However, due to the natural way that community works, a Kerala community has > formed itself. > > Bob, note that a community is not accepted or declined, and to do so is > wrong. This is not a sub community, nor is it optional > > This bug is here to offer hosting to such communities. > > Remember that you can't wake up in the morning and say you're going to > create a community, before we offer hosting etc, we need to see a community. > > So far, I see a strong Kerala community. I don't care if Mozilla India > covers Kerala, there is still a community in Kerala with *NO* relevance to > Mozilla India except being in the same territory. > > I don't see why this bug isn't being approved or declined. We're here to > offer communities resources, not to squabble about wether the community > should exist. And to do so, I find quite pathetic. > > Please approve or decline this bug, regardless of wether you agree it should > be here or not. Fact is, there's a community here, and community is not > dictated by council, IT or anyone. > > Feel free to continue discussion about the need of this community, but > outside of this bug. Hi Thomas! That is what I am trying to drive at: Kerala IS included in Mozilla India. Based on the previous comments, it is my understanding that the requester is trying to veer away from being identified as part of Mozilla India. Are there other communities or sub-communities that are in existence vis-a-vis a bigger community named after one's country? Who is supposed to approved this bug?
(In reply to Robert DC. Reyes from comment #22 > Hi Thomas! That is what I am trying to drive at: Kerala IS included in > Mozilla India. Based on the previous comments, it is my understanding that > the requester is trying to veer away from being identified as part of > Mozilla India. > > Are there other communities or sub-communities that are in existence > vis-a-vis a bigger community named after one's country? > > Who is supposed to approved this bug? The requester is trying to get hosting for their community. Note that this is a community, not a prospective community, nor a sub community. This community is no different to any regional community, and a country based community should not, under any circumstances, have total control over communities just because they are in the same land. The only community overseeing any community is the Mozilla community, which is everybody. I believe it is up to deb to approve this request. Despite him no longer being on council, he is permitted to approve these bugs, being task force lead :) We do need to look at the structure of the task force though, there are issues. I'll arrange that outside of this bug though.
Task Force leads must be members of council, so it can't be Deb anymore, someone has to replace him. I sort of started a discussion along these lines on the Reps General list by asking how regional communities define themselves, but since a discussion about this example has broken out maybe we should take it to the General list. I totally agree with Thomas in that we don't govern communities, but we really have no policies anywhere within Mozilla in terms of what to do in situations like this where there is an umbrella community but an unrelated community springs up. Europe is really an exception in terms of having small, dense culturally separated areas that seem to end up being the right size for a parent community. We are definitely going to have challenges like this in the future!
Looking at the start of the discussion at the bug it clearly gives an impression that someone/a group is trying to dictate/govern things on another community member/ group in a rather harsh way, in my opinion. That part rather than collecting thoughts, feedback, possibilities and have a healthy discussion around it, the discussion tone/approach was not how it could have supposed to be. The focus of the discussion shifted between both the parties. I understand the Thomas's concern on having the discussion at the bug could be to the point of "Yes" or "No" and all the rest of the discussion be outside, say at a mailing list as Deb mentioned. Happy that Majken and Thomas sharing their views and trying to give perspective to the discussion(by the bugs face value), but it is not helping as that do not touch the background of the topic. I think the bug is on track with the discussion and council member(Rob) was doing his duty in his capacity. In future it would be really helpful if specific teams go with their roles than influence the discussions and not hurry the sentiment of the discussion which the community feels important(else no one would put their time in the discussions just for discussing). Before I share a few thoughts on the discussion, would request you all to make notice that it may be a simple task for one of you/ Mozilla to solve instantaneously in a way you see. Here the ides is to get everyone on the same page and as Majken said there will be more challenges in the future as the community grows. It is important to understand the needs of the local community and if they feel there is a specific need, we would like to explore all options/ possibilities by having this discussion than jump to a quick solution. Here there are two things that I see as next steps: 1. about "general identity" of regional Mozilla community in Kerala 2. about "web identity" of regional community in Kerala and having a discussion(comment 14) with community members on exploring all the possible options on working together keeping in mind the interests and future of larger community. And at the end of the day, everyone share their thoughts/ questions and AFAIK its up to the *Council* to go with the next steps as they see the discussion reaching its finality. * Regarding point. 1: Like mentioned in the email thread(comment 14): -- It was agreed that local communities have the freedom to have/create local identity and operate independently -- local community engagement is important for building strong local groups. -- local communities can create and use social media groups, personal blogs, local mailing list to reach and discuss with other members in their locale informally. -- *only the web properties remain central* for the growth of the larger community across India. The idea is to create a common platform to share activity, discuss plans, get inspired from other events/ mozillians and make way for cross-community collaboration and minimize duplication of efforts in building tools & resources. * Regarding point 2: Again, like mentioned at the thread(comment 14): Community India website is for the use of regional community members itself and they have the freedom to adopt to their and everyone needs, of-course this would be a team work and few things would need consensus. There is a proposal to introduce local tags + planet in the website for the purpose of localized content discovery. The local community can try explore this with the team that is working on the website and see how Kerala community specific needs can be attained at community India website. As far as I know, there was no attempt made to explore this option by any of the member. If there was an impression that the community India web properties are "closed" in someway, I would like to affirm that the community has all rights to question, propose ideas and help build things. If the local community in Kerala is looking for any specific functionality in the website, we encourage you to help build the same so that other local communities across the country can benefit from it and together have a greater impact. If you would like to help build/add the proposed features to the website, the regional technical team will be happy to collaborate and guide with the necessary resources, and all the code is on github already. We can continue this discussion at the thread, if there is interest. I really hope you consider the idea of using community India web properties may be for a while and if it still does not satisfy you and the community, there is always the option of getting the support from Mozilla. I am positive that the larger Mozilla community in India will make its best effort to support/coordinate making this possible. Saurabh, you may be probably doing right for the benefit of the local community, Kerala by coordinating in making this bug request, which I appreciate. But just to win the discussion saying things like(in comment 10): "Please remind me what "Mozilla India" did so far in Kerala? Is there one event? One something, something or something "Mozilla India" did that you can point out? Mozilla India is doing well in some parts of the country, like Pune, Delhi etc. But it doesn't do anything at all in lot more areas." Even you or anyone from the regional community would agree that the major/ may be the first Mozilla event in Kerala "App Day Kerala" was a collaborative effort which brought the momentum/foundation to the community. Of-course you/midhun initiated the idea but as you yourself mentioned in the blogpost(http://rebugged.com/event-report-firefox-os-app-days-kerala/) a lot more people were involved in actually making it happen. Thanks for specifically highlighting them in "Acknowledgements" section of the post. And this was not the only event where some Mozilla community member from outside Kerala supported in someway. That said I'm interested in talking to community members from Kerala, including you about making use of the resources that community already has, please let me know. To all, I apologize for posting this long in bugzilla, It would not make sense to talk to myself on mailing list without concerned members involved in the discussion.
(In reply to Vineel from comment #25) Vineel, I'm done arguing. "App Days Kerala" was a collaborative effort, we had a lot of help, and I'm thankful to everyone who helped. I stand by what I wrote in the report - especially in the 'Foreword' and 'Acknowledgements'. Expecting future collaboration also in the same manner. And regarding no one replying to your mail thread, that happens. Especially when the email in question is large to read, digest and respond to :) May be you can try posting in the Fb group (https://www.facebook.com/groups/MozillaKerala). It has more members than the mailing list and I'm sure you will get better response there.
Kindly close this request. This request has already done enough damage. And it seems pointless to keep this open. So I'm withdrawing the request. Also I would like to apologize for the couple of times I lost my cool in the discussion above. And my sincere thanks to everyone who supported the request.
I would like to keep this request open. We need to have a chat about the issues here. You've not caused a disruption, but rather an opening to exploring problems within the way Mozilla operates. Right now, I'm on a break from contributing normally, in order to get some time to try and support the community. The major chunk of my effort is to stop dictatorship by people with "power". This is exactly what I'm seeing here, and I'd like it to stop. Do you use IRC?
Tad, I'm jsx on IRC. I'm available mostly everyday from evening to midnight. Will 10:00 PM IST tonight [1] work for you? We can meet at #remo [1] - http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=28+October+2013+10+PM+IST
(In reply to Thomas [:Tad] from comment #28) > I would like to keep this request open. > We need to have a chat about the issues here. You've not caused a > disruption, but rather an opening to exploring problems within the way > Mozilla operates. > > > Right now, I'm on a break from contributing normally, in order to get some > time to try and support the community. The major chunk of my effort is to > stop dictatorship by people with "power". > > This is exactly what I'm seeing here, and I'd like it to stop. Do you use > IRC? Hi Thomas! And who are you referring to the people with "power" dictating to anyone? Please clarify this statement. Mozilla, as an organization, lives by empowering it's members -- the contributors. Most of the points discussed in this thread/bug are here to pose clarification on matters of community-building: more of a physical community, with members meeting with one another on a (semi) regular basis; not just online. It may take sometime for the stakeholders to weigh in things; as rushing on matters will just complicate things.
Bob, You're asking in the wrong place. Either ask me on IRC, via email, or not at all This isn't a matter to be discussed in this bug, sadly
(In reply to Thomas [:Tad] from comment #31) > Bob, > You're asking in the wrong place. Either ask me on IRC, via email, or not at > all > > This isn't a matter to be discussed in this bug, sadly Thomas, since you already made the statement in this bug, why not answer whom you are referring to here? This is the proper venue to set things straight. Mozilla operates with openness in its core.
I'll repeat again, this bug is not the right platform for this discussion. The discussion ranges far out of the needs of this bug. Please stop using that quote against people's thoughts, Bob. Openness in the core also means that the community is free to want to use another platform to communicate, if I'm thinking straight. Let's talk over IRC, email, or not at all. A call can also work.
(In reply to Thomas [:Tad] from comment #33) > I'll repeat again, this bug is not the right platform for this discussion. > The discussion ranges far out of the needs of this bug. > > Please stop using that quote against people's thoughts, Bob. Openness in the > core also means that the community is free to want to use another platform > to communicate, if I'm thinking straight. > > Let's talk over IRC, email, or not at all. A call can also work. Which quote are you asking me to stop using? The statement/puzzle that you had posted concerns people whom are CC'ed in this bug. Having this bug reopenned; discussions must continue herein and not offline (via individual email).
Okay Bob, If you really want me to explain. It currently feels like the remo council are using their powers to push people into doing stuff they don't want to do (as you just did...) which is completely wrong and immoral in a community such as mozilla. In the last 4 weeks, I've watched several community members be pushed out by people in council because of personal grudges and disagreements. Also wrong... Finally, it just doesn't feel like we have power to do anything anymore. Only remo council and moco have power to do stuff. If I really wanted to, I could link several people involved in this bug into those 3 main points. Also note that they are not a full explanation of what I want to explain. Though, I will stand by my statement and not speak of it in this bug. I don't want to, and I will not. If you try and force me to again, I won't be happy at all.
As per Saurabh's request here and through email, I'm closing this bug. Saurabh please re-open if you change your mind.
Status: REOPENED → RESOLVED
Closed: 12 years ago → 12 years ago
Resolution: --- → WONTFIX
Product: Mozilla Reps → Mozilla Reps Graveyard
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