I noticed on http://www.geocities.com/jaycee_55/lately.html that the image links use alt text for tooltips. Since the page doesn't make much sense unless you can see the tooltips, this is a big problem. I asked Joan to replace each alt= with title=, she said she had created the page using Yahoo! PageBuilder. So I tried out PageBuilder, and sure enough, it had a "screen tip" field for images, and the field was mapped to alt text. Steps to reproduce: 1. Get a free GeoCities account. 2. Get PageBuilder working. I was only able to do this in IE, after installing Java and then allowing Yahoo to install an ActiveX control on my system. 3. Insert an image into a page using PageBuilder. 4. Type some text in the "screen tip" box. 5. Hit the "Preview" button. 6. View Source. Result: the "screen tip" is alt text. (Alt text shows as a tooltip in NS4 and IE but not in Mozilla.) Expected: the "screen tip" should be in a title attribute. (Title text shows as a tooltip in IE and NS6 but not in NS4.) Other problems with PageBuilder: - It thinks Netscape 4 is "an old version of AOL's browser" and recommends that you upgrade. - It thinks Mozilla doesn't support Java (both before and after I installed Java). - It uses absolute positioning for *everything*. I couldn't figure out how to use it to make a normal page with paragraphs.
See bug 88297.
All Evangelism Bugs are now in the Product Tech Evangelism. See bug 86997 for details.
Component: Evangelism → US English
Product: Browser → Tech Evangelism
Version: other → unspecified
OS: Windows NT → All
Priority: -- → P2
Hardware: PC → All
Summary: geocities (yahoo) pagebuilder uses alt text for "screen tip" → geocities.com - geocities (yahoo) pagebuilder uses alt text for "screen tip"
Mass reassign of all tech-evangelism us general bugs assigned to bc to doron except bc's P1 bugs. You may search for this mass reassign (it is 305 bugs) by searching for the keyword 'greeneggsandham'
Assignee: bclary → doronr
Assignee: doron → susiew
I was able to use Page Builder in a 1.0 build of Mozilla, and Java loaded fine (Page Builder is a Java applet). It created my screen tip as: alt="this is a tip" which did not show up when I moused over the image. Are you suggesting that Yahoo needs to add browser sniffing and then either show screen tips via an alt tag or a title tag depending on the visitor's browser? I don't see that happening, if so, in the short run anyway.
Status: NEW → ASSIGNED
No, they should just use the title attribute for tooltips. Or better yet, they could remove the feature, since it encourages their users to use the tooltips in a way that forces visitors to hover over specific parts of a page in order to the page's content.
Assignee: susiew → english-us
Status: ASSIGNED → NEW
QA Contact: zach → english-us
I notice pagebuilder also creates sites like this that are unreadable in firebird: http://www.propagandamatrix.com/americas_phoney_wars_2.html
is the sitebuilder still broken ?
Geocities is shutting down. Does this need to be fixed...?
Status: NEW → RESOLVED
Last Resolved: 9 years ago
Resolution: --- → INCOMPLETE
Product: Tech Evangelism → Tech Evangelism Graveyard
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