geocities.com - geocities (yahoo) pagebuilder uses alt text for "screen tip"

RESOLVED INCOMPLETE

Status

Tech Evangelism Graveyard
English US
P2
normal
RESOLVED INCOMPLETE
17 years ago
3 years ago

People

(Reporter: Jesse Ruderman, Unassigned)

Tracking

Details

(Whiteboard: [FEP] aok, URL)

(Reporter)

Description

17 years ago
I noticed on http://www.geocities.com/jaycee_55/lately.html that the image links
use alt text for tooltips.  Since the page doesn't make much sense unless you
can see the tooltips, this is a big problem.  I asked Joan to replace each alt=
with title=, she said she had created the page using Yahoo! PageBuilder.  So I
tried out PageBuilder, and sure enough, it had a "screen tip" field for images,
and the field was mapped to alt text.

Steps to reproduce:
1. Get a free GeoCities account.
2. Get PageBuilder working.  I was only able to do this in IE, after installing
Java and then allowing Yahoo to install an ActiveX control on my system.
3. Insert an image into a page using PageBuilder.
4. Type some text in the "screen tip" box.
5. Hit the "Preview" button.
6. View Source.

Result: the "screen tip" is alt text.  (Alt text shows as a tooltip in NS4 and
IE but not in Mozilla.)
Expected: the "screen tip" should be in a title attribute.  (Title text shows as
a tooltip in IE and NS6 but not in NS4.)

Other problems with PageBuilder:
- It thinks Netscape 4 is "an old version of AOL's browser" and recommends that
you upgrade.
- It thinks Mozilla doesn't support Java (both before and after I installed Java).
- It uses absolute positioning for *everything*.  I couldn't figure out how to
use it to make a normal page with paragraphs.

Comment 2

17 years ago
All Evangelism Bugs are now in the Product Tech Evangelism. See bug 86997 for
details.
Component: Evangelism → US English
Product: Browser → Tech Evangelism
Version: other → unspecified

Updated

17 years ago
OS: Windows NT → All
Priority: -- → P2
Hardware: PC → All
Summary: geocities (yahoo) pagebuilder uses alt text for "screen tip" → geocities.com - geocities (yahoo) pagebuilder uses alt text for "screen tip"
Whiteboard: [FEP]

Updated

17 years ago
Whiteboard: [FEP] → [FEP] aok

Comment 3

17 years ago
Mass reassign of all tech-evangelism us general bugs assigned to bc to 
doron except bc's P1 bugs. You may search for this mass reassign (it is 
305 bugs) by searching for the keyword 'greeneggsandham'
Assignee: bclary → doronr

Updated

17 years ago
Keywords: evang500

Comment 4

16 years ago
-->me
Assignee: doron → susiew

Comment 5

16 years ago
I was able to use Page Builder in a 1.0 build of Mozilla, and Java loaded fine
(Page Builder is a Java applet). 

It created my screen tip as: alt="this is a tip" which did not show up when I
moused over the image. 

Are you suggesting that Yahoo needs to add browser sniffing and then either show
screen tips via an alt tag or a title tag depending on the visitor's browser? I
don't see that happening, if so, in the short run anyway.
Status: NEW → ASSIGNED
(Reporter)

Comment 6

16 years ago
No, they should just use the title attribute for tooltips.  Or better yet, they
could remove the feature, since it encourages their users to use the tooltips in
a way that forces visitors to hover over specific parts of a page in order to
the page's content.

Comment 7

15 years ago
default
Assignee: susiew → english-us
Status: ASSIGNED → NEW
QA Contact: zach → english-us

Comment 8

15 years ago
I notice pagebuilder also creates sites like this that are unreadable in firebird:
http://www.propagandamatrix.com/americas_phoney_wars_2.html
is the sitebuilder still broken ?
Geocities is shutting down.

Does this need to be fixed...?
Status: NEW → RESOLVED
Last Resolved: 9 years ago
Resolution: --- → INCOMPLETE
Product: Tech Evangelism → Tech Evangelism Graveyard
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