930729 - change pref("mailnews.auto_config_url", "https://live.mozillamessaging.com/autoconfig/v1.1/");

Status: RESOLVED WONTFIX

(Thunderbird :: General, defect)

Description

[Ludovic Hirlimann [:Usul]]

Attachment: patchtbmomo.txt

to the new url in thunderbird.net

Comment 1

[Mark Banner (:standard8)]

Is there some background as to why this is changing, and what happens to support for the old url for the previous versions of TB?

Also, does it really make sense to move these to thunderbird.net, when b2g is considering using them as well?

Comment 2

[Ludovic Hirlimann [:Usul]]

(In reply to Mark Banner (:standard8) from comment #1)
> Is there some background as to why this is changing, and what happens to
> support for the old url for the previous versions of TB?

Nothing imortant or urgent. Just saves a redirect - and ssl mistmacth that could happen.

It doesn't change - not plans I know of to remove these.
 
> Also, does it really make sense to move these to thunderbird.net, when b2g
> is considering using them as well?

???

Just trying to clean things up nothing more. You should ask :asuth for the later.

Comment 3

[Mark Banner (:standard8)]

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So I remember now, generally we had everything behind live so that we could be flexible with updating urls in the future, not only that, for instance, at the moment we could drop autoconfig.thunderbird.net without issue and live would be all we keep up to date.

Given that Gaia is interested in using this as well, I think we should wait until those discussions are resolved before we start using thunderbird specific urls.

Comment 4

[Philippe M. Chiasson (:gozer)]

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One suggestion for slightly prettier URL, using:

pref("mailnews.mx_service_url", "https://mx.thunderbird.net/domain/");

Instead. It works as well and is a shorter URL as well.

Comment 5

[Philippe M. Chiasson (:gozer)]

But, me, personally, I still feel that keeping all in-product URLs tied to a single site is still a good idea.

So, these could be changed with s/live.mozillamessaging.com/live.thunderbird.net/ as a starting point.

The issue is that once a URL is baked-in, we have to support its existence more or less forever.

-pref("mailnews.auto_config_url", "https://live.mozillamessaging.com/autoconfig/v1.1/");
+pref("mailnews.auto_config_url", "https://live.thunderbird.net/autoconfig/v1.1/");
 // Added in bug 551519. Remove when bug 545866 is fixed.
-pref("mailnews.mx_service_url", "https://live.mozillamessaging.com/dns/mx/");
+pref("mailnews.mx_service_url", "https://live.thunderbird.net/dns/mx/");

Comment 6

[Mark Banner (:standard8)]

Ok, given comment 5, I suggest we hold back until we are sure what Gaia is going to do, there's no significant value in moving to another set of urls at this stage, especially if we do want to move for Gaia.

Comment 7

[Andrew Sutherland [:asuth] (he/him)]

We haven't updated gaia's e-mail app yet.  The bug on that is bug 907524.  For the foreseeable future we will continue to use the Thunderbird ISP database. 

The redirect slows us down, so as long as there's a redirect, we should definitely change.

Having said that, unless our branding plans include calling the gaia e-mail app Thunderbird at some point, "mozillamessaging" seems slightly more explanatory than "thunderbird" from gaia's perspective.  (And www.thunderbird.net does nothing, but www.mozillamessaging.com does something.  So thunderbird.net seems sketchier.)

I'm switching the needinfo over to the product manager for the Productivity Team, Adam Rogers, who coincidentally is thus the product manager for the Gaia e-mail app, and who is responsible for stopping all bucks.

Comment 8

[Adam Rogers (:arog)]

There is no plan to brand the email application on FirefoxOS at all, meaning that "mozillamessaging" is somewhat more appropriate than "thunderbird".  The latter has no connection to FxOS and as Andrew says, may seem sketchier.

Comment 9

[Andrew Sutherland [:asuth] (he/him)]

It looks like we're going to be increasing the importance of the ISPDB for the Gaia Email app, and as part of that I would like to address the meta-issue raised here.

The main issue is that thunderbird.net looks super sketchy for various reasons:
- doesn't have the word mozilla in it
- does not respond to http/https requests, they just hang indefinitely
- has no reverse DNS entry, although at least the NXDOMAIN gets told to us by ns1.mozilla.com

The mozillamessaging.com redirects to that domain are a high price to pay to make it more clear what is actually going on.

How about something like maildb.mozilla.org or mailconfigdb.mozilla.org?  ISPDB implies other things.

Comment 10

[Magnus Melin [:mkmelin]]

mailconfigdb.mozilla.org sounds good to me. or simply mailconfig.mozilla.org

Comment 11

[Ludovic Hirlimann [:Usul]]

(In reply to Andrew Sutherland [:asuth] from comment #9)
 
> How about something like maildb.mozilla.org or mailconfigdb.mozilla.org? 
> ISPDB implies other things.

So how about you get that ball rolling ?

Comment 12

[Andrew Sutherland [:asuth] (he/him)]

The motivating factor for comment 9 (where I said "It looks like we're going to be increasing the importance of the ISPDB for the Gaia Email app") was thankfully mooted not too long after by bug 874346 comment 59.  And I parallelized the Gaia Email app's autoconfig implementation in bug 1059100 when we added xoauth2 support.  So right now gaia doesn't need any changes to the ISPDB, so the status quo probably seems fine for Gaia for now.  Accordingly Thunderbird might as well make the preference change (but leave the live.mozillamessaging.com URLs around forever :).