Closed Bug 979256 Opened 11 years ago Closed 11 years ago

[es-MX] Search engine setup for Firefox Mobile for Mexican Spanish

Categories

(Mozilla Localizations :: es-MX / Spanish (Mexico), defect)

Product:
Mozilla Localizations
Component:
es-MX / Spanish (Mexico)
Platform:
All
Android
Type:
defect
Priority:
Not set
Severity:
normal

Tracking

(Not tracked)

Status:
RESOLVED FIXED
Milestone:
mozilla30

People

(Reporter: gueroJeff, Assigned: flod)

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URL
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Details

(Keywords: productization)

Attachments

(1 file, 3 obsolete files)

bug979256v2.patch
19.53 KB, patch
Pike
: review+
Details | Diff | Splinter Review
We want to ship Firefox Mobile with a good list of search engines for Mexican Spanish. We're going to work towards this in three phases. First, the localization team and the l10n drivers will look at the market for the language and come up with a good set of search providers. Breana, we'll need your input on this, the guidelines for making recommendations are on <https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Productization_guide>. For en-US, we currently use this set, to which we can fall back in the case of lacking localized alternatives: > Google (mobile version), Yahoo, Bing, Amazon, Twitter, Wikipedia (slightly different to desktop, 32x32 icon) We may also want to go with just a subset of the en-US engines, if that's more appropriate for the local market. Once we decide to use a particular search engine (and we test it on a mobile device), l10n drivers will contact the owner and ask for permission, and for specifics like proper search flags. Breana, we'll likely need your help to at least get the contact information. For search engines that we already ship with on desktop and that you would like to include in mobile as well, the permission is not needed. Consider using a mobile version of the engine if one is available. Also, please make yourself familiar with instructions regarding the <Description/> element at <https://wiki.mozilla.org/L10n:Integrated_Search_Instructions>. For mobile, we'll want 64x64 size images, too. Once we have a specification on what the search engines for Mexican Spanish should look like, flod (Francesco Lodolo) and the localization team will work on an implementation on that. flod will create and attach patches for the desired changes and get them reviewed. After a successful review, flod will land them. Breana, if you're interested, you could create the patches, too. You'd ask flod for review on those before landing. Please don't commit any modifications in browser/searchplugins to the hg repository without a patch reviewed by flod, Stas, Axel or someone else appointed by the l10n drivers. The data here is sensitive to users and our search partners, thus the extra care here. The Mexican Spanish team and flod will be driving this bug to completion.
Adding email conversation with Breana about this bug. Unsure if Breana has bugzilla rights to make comments in bugs. El 3/6/14 10:22 a.m., Breana Jones escribió: > Hi Jeff, > > I read through the documentation. When you say I should provide contact information, is that for the search providers we choose (i.e. Wikipedia, Amazon, Google, etc.)? If so, any recommendations for who I would reach out to? That's exactly it, but that's mainly for the regional providers you and the Mexican community select. So don't worry about contacting the big guns (i.e. Wikipedia, Amazon, Google, etc.), but, for instance, you may need to contact Mercado Libre, should that be a provider that you'd like to include. Does that answer your question? > > For actual research and recommendations, who should l work with on this? What kind of research? Create a survey and ask friends on Mozilla Mexico-Community and on Facebook? You can look in a few places: 1) Take a look at what's currently being used in the es-MX l10n of Firefox desktop. 2) Email the mexico community mailing list asking for feedback. 3) Pop into the #mozilla-mexico IRC channel and ask for feedback. 4) Ask your friends in Mexico on Facebook. A survey is a great way to collect the feedback you get. I would suggest putting a time-limit on accepting suggestions before you make your decisions and begin contacting providers. > > I'm just trying to figure out where I need to start and what the best approach would be, seeing as I've never done this before. Absolutely! I'm more than happy to help :-) Thank you for reaching out. Also, I'm going to copy and paste this into the bug, so that there's an open record. Thanks, Jeff > > Thanks, > > Breana
Assignee: nobody → breanajones
We had 116 people respond to our survey...great response! The top requested search providers (in order) were: 1. Google 2. Wikipedia-es 3. Twitter 4. DuckDuckGo 5. MercadoLibre-MX 6. YouTube 7. Reddit I propose that we move forward with these search providers. What's the next step?
Flags: needinfo?(jbeatty)
(In reply to Breana Jones from comment #2) > We had 116 people respond to our survey...great response! The top requested > search providers (in order) were: 1. Google 2. Wikipedia-es 3. Twitter 4. > DuckDuckGo 5. MercadoLibre-MX 6. YouTube 7. Reddit I propose that we move > forward with these search providers. What's the next step? Thanks Breana! Flod, is this enough for you to take it from here? Breana, flod might say that seven providers is too many. Are these providers in order of total votes/preference? If we were to leave off, say, the bottom one or two, would that be alright? Additionally, you'll need to contact MercadoLibre to notify them that you'd like to include MercadoLibre in an official localization of Firefox for Android, as well as asking them for an icon in a particular size (64x64, right flod?).
Flags: needinfo?(jbeatty)
For now we need 32x32px icons. Mercadolibre We're good if the icon is the one currently used by es-AR. http://transvision.mozfr.org/productization/?locale=es-AR&product=mobile DuckDuckGo We only have one locale using it on desktop (bug 967609), so we need a 32px icon. We could try to needinfo the developer who commented in that bug to obtain it. YouTube and Reddit These two are definitely harder: we don't have any locale shipping with them, so we don't have icons or know which parameters need to be used in the XML file. YouTube exposes an Opensearch plugin, so we could reuse those parameters. Icon is 16px, we also need to figure out with BD if we need specific parameters, or authorization. For Reddit we don't have anything (icon, parameters, authorization).
Attached file YouTube opensearch (obsolete) —
This should be verified on mobile to understand if the user experience is acceptable (i.e. getting the mobile version, not the desktop one).
(In reply to Francesco Lodolo [:flod] from comment #4) > For now we need 32x32px icons. > > Mercadolibre > We're good if the icon is the one currently used by es-AR. > http://transvision.mozfr.org/productization/?locale=es-AR&product=mobile > > DuckDuckGo > We only have one locale using it on desktop (bug 967609), so we need a 32px > icon. We could try to needinfo the developer who commented in that bug to > obtain it. > > YouTube and Reddit > These two are definitely harder: we don't have any locale shipping with > them, so we don't have icons or know which parameters need to be used in the > XML file. > > YouTube exposes an Opensearch plugin, so we could reuse those parameters. > Icon is 16px, we also need to figure out with BD if we need specific > parameters, or authorization. > > For Reddit we don't have anything (icon, parameters, authorization). Ok, so then to split up the tasks list and provide Breana with a TODO list: 1) Decide if YouTube and Reddit are requirements for es-MX Fennec. If yes, 2a) Email YouTube and Reddit to ask for the parameters that flod specifies. 2b) Test the YouTube patch in the es-MX single locale builds, which are blocked until bug 985554 is approved, committed, and resolved. If no, 2) Nothing but test once search engines have landed. Flod, are you alright with taking care of the rest? The MercadoLibre icon should be the same and needinfo-ing the DuckDuckGo developer would be good, if you know who that is.
Yes, icon is the same. http://www.mercadolibre.com.ar/ I'll send an email for DuckDuckGo's icon.
Hey, sorry to jump in here but I wanted to offer up a proposal. Looking at our en-US list: Google Yahoo Bing Amazon Twitter Wikipedia And then the list via community votes: Google Wikipedia-es Twitter DuckDuckGo MercadoLibre-MX YouTube Reddit I'd propose we go forward with a list that starts like this: Google Yahoo Bing Amazon (http://www.amazon.com.mx/) Twitter Wikipedia-es And then you decide where to draw the line with these: DuckDuckGo MercadoLibre-MX -- YouTube Reddit I've split them in the middle to keep the number of engines shipped a little lower and I think both DDG and MercadoLibre offer something a bit unique. I'd also ask that you keep Y, B, and A in the list because we do have existing partnerships with them and while they might not have gotten a lot of votes we do see decent usage numbers from them. Amazon could probably be switched to the MX domain and I can double check with them on that; I'd like to be as local/useful as possible. DDG and MercadoLibre could be inserted into the list in between Bing and Amazon so a final list would look like this: Google Yahoo Bing DuckDuckGo MercadoLibre-MX Amazon (http://www.amazon.com.mx/) Twitter Wikipedia-es Let me know what you think. Thanks!
(In reply to Bryan Clark (Firefox Search PM) [:clarkbw] from comment #8) > Hey, sorry to jump in here but I wanted to offer up a proposal. > > Looking at our en-US list: > Google > Yahoo > Bing > Amazon > Twitter > Wikipedia > > And then the list via community votes: > Google > Wikipedia-es > Twitter > DuckDuckGo > MercadoLibre-MX > YouTube > Reddit > > I'd propose we go forward with a list that starts like this: > > Google > Yahoo > Bing > Amazon (http://www.amazon.com.mx/) > Twitter > Wikipedia-es > > And then you decide where to draw the line with these: > > DuckDuckGo > MercadoLibre-MX > -- > YouTube > Reddit > > I've split them in the middle to keep the number of engines shipped a little > lower and I think both DDG and MercadoLibre offer something a bit unique. > > I'd also ask that you keep Y, B, and A in the list because we do have > existing partnerships with them and while they might not have gotten a lot > of votes we do see decent usage numbers from them. Amazon could probably be > switched to the MX domain and I can double check with them on that; I'd like > to be as local/useful as possible. > > DDG and MercadoLibre could be inserted into the list in between Bing and > Amazon so a final list would look like this: > > Google > Yahoo > Bing > DuckDuckGo > MercadoLibre-MX > Amazon (http://www.amazon.com.mx/) > Twitter > Wikipedia-es > > Let me know what you think. Thanks! I think Breana will need to take your proposal back to the community to come back with a firm response here. There's an IRC meetup tonight with the Mexican community, but I know Breana is currently traveling.
Attached image DuckDuckGo 32px icon (obsolete) —
Bryan, I'm looking back on previous emails with Joanne Nagel and you concerning Bing and Yahoo! and can't find an indication that Mexico is part of the Bing/Yahoo! partnership push. That being the case, I think that there's a reason the Mexican community's responses didn't include either of those options and they would need to be convinced that they're valuable to the mobile users in their region. Could you please go into some details about why this would benefit users in Mexico?
Hey Jeff, Actually our previous conversations were around sustainability and the need to include a core list of commercial partners in which we have agreements with - Google, Yahoo, Bing, Amazon, and eBay. Unless one of these partners has a material defect in the quality of their search results or do not exist in a specific locale, they should be included in the search plugin list for each and every locale. Joanne
(In reply to Joanne Nagel from comment #12) > Hey Jeff, > > Actually our previous conversations were around sustainability and the need > to include a core list of commercial partners in which we have agreements > with - Google, Yahoo, Bing, Amazon, and eBay. Unless one of these partners > has a material defect in the quality of their search results or do not exist > in a specific locale, they should be included in the search plugin list for > each and every locale. > > Joanne Hi Joanne, I remember that being the discussion for desktop, but not Fennec. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Hi Jeff, No difference, based on platform, they stretch across devices. Joanne
Just a note: we don't currently ship eBay on mobile for en-US.
Devices, yes, but desktop and Fennec are different products addressing different users, which is why I bring it up.
FWIW I might be the culprit of reddit over representing on this survey as I posted http://reddit.com/r/mexico/comments/20c84e/encuesta_sobre_firefox_para_android_esmx/ If you were to include Amazon, do not put the .mx edition as it just offers Kindles and e-books at this point in time whereas I can use the US version to look up prices for any imaginable item. On Fennec en-US I see there are 6 items in search: G, Y, B, A, T, W On my particular device (Sony Ericsson XPERIA pro), there's room on the screen for at least other 3 search options.
Breana, could you please provide a summary of the discussion in the community mailing list about this? Thank you!
Stealing ownership of the bug so it doesn't fall out of my radar.
Assignee: breanajones → francesco.lodolo
A synopsis of comments in the Community-Mexico group about including Bing and Yahoo (as proposed by Bryan Clark) fell in to two categories: FOR LIST AS VOTED FOR BY USERS: Go with principles as Mozillians and provide what users asked for (YouTube and Reddit). **Jusaí Prieto If people didn't vote for them to factor in the final list, why should we include them. Go with what the users voted for. **Jeff Beatty (Breana Jones agrees) Bing and Yahoo make the money...but since we are in Mexico we should not compare ourselves to what it used in the U.S. and instead go with what Mexican users want. **Alex Fuser INCLUDING BING AND YAHOO INSTEAD: Thinking as a Mozillian, Bing and Yahoo give competition and would be wise to include. **Alex Mayorga (Odin seconded this thought) Should Yahoo and Bing be excluded just because people don't use them as much? I like to use them when looking for variety in results to see what's out there. People may not use them as often but it's nice to have them as an option. **Odin Mojica (Odin also agreed with Jeff and Alex and concluded we should move forward with what the users voted for) CONCLUSION: The community agrees we should move forward with what Mexican users voted for.
Because the question to the community was presented as an either/or (YouTube and Reddit vs. Yahoo! and Bing) it tainted the synopsis. UPDATED CONCLUSION: To clarify, everyone felt that Yahoo! and Bing would provide added value if included, and should be included if possible. It would be great to have a variety of search browsers and a good gesture to include existing partnerships. That being said, there was a strong opinion that we should follow what the community votes for. (In reply to Breana Jones from comment #20) > A synopsis of comments in the Community-Mexico group about including Bing > and Yahoo (as proposed by Bryan Clark) fell in to two categories: > > FOR LIST AS VOTED FOR BY USERS: > > Go with principles as Mozillians and provide what users asked for (YouTube > and Reddit). > **Jusaí Prieto > If people didn't vote for them to factor in the final list, why should we > include them. Go with what the users voted for. > **Jeff Beatty (Breana Jones agrees) > Bing and Yahoo make the money...but since we are in Mexico we should not > compare ourselves to what it used in the U.S. and instead go with what > Mexican users want. > **Alex Fuser > > INCLUDING BING AND YAHOO INSTEAD: > > Thinking as a Mozillian, Bing and Yahoo give competition and would be wise > to include. > **Alex Mayorga (Odin seconded this thought) > Should Yahoo and Bing be excluded just because people don't use them as > much? I like to use them when looking for variety in results to see what's > out there. People may not use them as often but it's nice to have them as an > option. > **Odin Mojica (Odin also agreed with Jeff and Alex and concluded we should > move forward with what the users voted for) > > CONCLUSION: The community agrees we should move forward with what Mexican > users voted for.
Attached patch bug979256.patch (obsolete) — — Splinter Review
This is the list of searchplugins included in this patch. Google Yahoo (mx) Bing Amazon Twitter Wikipedia (es) DuckDuckGo Mercadolibre (mx) For Amazon I kept the en-US version as you suggested. Before asking for a review, I'd like some thoughts on this, and possibly some tests from es-MX users. You can go to this page with Firefox on your Android device and test the non en-US searchplugins that will be part of your build http://l10n.mozilla-community.org/~flod/testsp/ I'd like to add a couple of thoughts about YouTube and Reddit: * YouTube: even if the user experience has improved a lot in the last years on mobile, I'm not sure suggesting it on a phone is a good choice. For example I would never suggest it in my local market, where all data plan are still limited and expensive. If you believe that's not a problem for the Mexican market, we can definitely discuss more about it, maybe in a follow-up bug to avoid getting the release stuck. * Reddit: I consider this a searchplugin with a limited target (it would be the same for slashdot.org, or similar websites). When creating a list of default searchplugin, we should try to create a set of searchplugins useful for common users. As Alex explained in comment 17, I also think that the result has been biased by the survey being done on the very same website.
Breana, can you take a look at the comment above and let me know what the community think?
Flags: needinfo?(breanajones)
Hi Flod, I sent an email out with what you said to the Mexico Community. Are you on that mailing list? I'll give you a synopsis of what they say as soon as I start hearing back from everyone.
Flags: needinfo?(breanajones)
(In reply to Breana Jones from comment #24) > I sent an email out with what you said to the Mexico Community. Are you on > that mailing list? I'll give you a synopsis of what they say as soon as I > start hearing back from everyone. Thanks, I'm not on the list, so a follow-up here would be great.
Hi Flod, There was a positive response to the list of plugins in the patch. We feel it is too late in the cycle to work on Reddit and YouTube so we will hold off. Although data is expensive in Mexico, there seem to be those who would still like to use it and there is a demand for it. With regards to Reddit, even though the results may have been tainted, any time anything is published on there, there seems to be a positive response and interested in including it in Firefox. We will likely try to include this in the next build and if it doesn't work well, we can just take it out...but the community would like to include it in the next cycle. SUMMARY: List of plugins looks good as is for this cycle and is being tested by users. We will move forward with it, and explore additional options for the next cycle (YouTube and Reddit).
Thank you very much Breana for the update. We're also investigating with UX what is the "right" limit of searchplugins to ship.
Updated patch for review using new format for Yahoo (SSL, suggestions).
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