Closed
Bug 105892
Opened 23 years ago
Closed 20 years ago
`Resolving host xyz.foo.bar...' should be `Looking up xyz.foo.bar...'
Categories
(Core :: Networking, defect)
Core
Networking
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RESOLVED
FIXED
Future
People
(Reporter: mpt, Unassigned)
Details
(Keywords: polish)
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(1 file)
1.06 KB,
patch
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darin.moz
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review+
jag+mozilla
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superreview+
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Build: 2001101904, Mac OS 9.1 To reproduce: 1. Go to a Web site on a server you haven't been to in a while (such that it's not in your DNS cache). 2. Look at the status bar. What you see: * `Resolving host nameOfServer...' What you should see: * `Looking for nameOfServer...' Q & A from bug 97028 (from which this bug is spun off): Why not `Resolving host'? Because only a miniscule proportion of the population knows what a `host' is, let alone what it means to `resolve' it. `Looking for' is much more understandable, while still being correct. Why not `Looking up' instead of `Looking for'? For the same reason. Most people are unaware that IP numbers are stored in an index, so `Looking for' makes more sense while still being correct. Eventually, we need to design several UI behaviors, tailored to various users. Uh, this is a Web browser's status bar, it's not a wedding dress. Even in the highly unlikely event that we wanted the status text to be themable independently from the rest of the browser, that's waaaaay outside the scope of this bug. I know, let's redesign the status bar text for every networking state before we change anything! Uh, no. Firstly, it would take a long time to spec, and even longer to implement. Secondly, no matter what the status text for the other states ends up being, `Looking for {serverName}...' will be the status text for the initial domain resolution. (I will do a spec, once someone sends me a list of all those networking states.) And thirdly, `Resolving host' is the most obvious status text currently (especially on a high-speed connection), so its disturbing obfuscation should be fixed promptly. Won't changing this string confuse Networking QA people? I think they're smart enough not to be confused by this, really. And anyway, Networking QA people make up a positively microscopic proportion of users of Mozilla distributions.
Reporter | ||
Updated•23 years ago
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Severity: normal → trivial
Keywords: polish
OS: Mac System 9.x → All
Hardware: Macintosh → All
Summary: `Resolving host xyz.foo.bar...' should be `Looking for xyz.foo.bar ...' → `Resolving host xyz.foo.bar...' should be `Looking for xyz.foo.bar...'
I find this suggestion upsetting. It should never never never be "Looking for..." - that looks amateurish at best, and is confusing: "Looking for" indicates a physical action. To "look something up", on the other hand, is the established abstract used, whether speaking about a catalogue, a dictionary, any other book - or networking lookups. This is old and well established linguistics, probably with roots back to the 15th century. Secondly: I have never seen any networking application that is "Looking for". IMO a huge mistake to introduce a "Looking for" term in Mozilla. What's next? A paperclip with a pair of eyes?
Comment 2•23 years ago
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It looks like another bug that could be fixed in five minutes is going to get drowned in wording discussion... FWIW, I think 'Looking for www.example.com...' is fine.
Mozilla builds are not for general usage, they are for testing. Obviously the hardcore networking QA people would understand the proposed change, we put up with seriously bad status messages in Communicator 4 and IE for years. That is not the actual audience that benefits from using the current status strings. The current string set gives clear but simple descriptions of the actual networking state of the connection. This is very useful information when dealing with networking problem reports, and this was the general design goal of the engineer that made it work this way. The underlying reason I think we should leave things be is that I WANT non-networking testers to learn a little networking, just enough to file good bugs. These status messages go a long way to that. I don't think this is too much to ask. re: "looking" I've made lots of comments in the UI bug (which I can't find), about why thats a generally good idea that needs more work. I'll keep this as short as possible by not repeating everything in this bug as well. re: fast connections - i looks like something changed that makes resolving stick around too long again. I'll file a new bug on that.
Comment 4•23 years ago
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> Mozilla builds are not for general usage, they are for testing. Obviously the
> hardcore networking QA people would understand the proposed change, we put up
> with seriously bad status messages in Communicator 4 and IE for years. That is
> not the actual audience that benefits from using the current status strings.
Yes, but Netscape is made for general usage and Netscape so far haven't changed
the Mozilla status bar messages.
Personally, I don't care if it stays 'Resolving host www.example.com...' or
becomes 'Looking for www.example.com...'. They both make sense to me.
Comment 5•23 years ago
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I would prefer "looking up xyz.foo.bar" to "looking for xyz.foo.bar". I think advanced users would be able to figure out that "looking up" means "resolving host through DNS" more easily. "Looking for" conjures up images of a browser stumbling blindly around the Internet, trying to find a server. Also, as rkaa said, "looking for" sounds like a physical action. Connecting to the server given its IP address is more physical, and better described by "looking for", than resolving a hostname is. By the way, the phrase "looking up" has has precedent for use in connection with DNS: *** Connecting to irc.mozilla.org (6667) -irc.mozilla.org- *** Looking up your hostname... -irc.mozilla.org- *** Found your hostname, cached
As a test of how the suggested usage in this bug would work: Replace "looking up" with "looking for" in the last line of the quote below: "To join the list and/or follow the responses, see the gopher for CIOS which manages "ethno". Either send the gopher command "gopher cios.llc.rpi.edu" and look under the "hotlines" section for "ethno" or do so by looking up the WWW URL: gopher://cios.llc.rpi.edu:70/ " If "looking for" is used instead, the reader is given the erronous impression that the last mentioned URL is something they should look FOR under the "ethno" section mentioned earlyer in the text. This happens because "looking FOR" first and formost indicates an action by the individual; again using ones eyesight or "mental vision". The replacement makes the text clearly misleading, and thus represent an imprecise usage of language.
Comment 7•23 years ago
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Just to put my two cents in... "Resolving" is technically correct but somewhat beyond the scope of my mother's understanding of that word. (She resolves problems, not DNS entries) "Looking for" is very much wrong from an english standpoint. Name resolution (DNS lookup) is not a search for the "www.domain.dom" machine but a look up of the address of that machine from the directory. It is not until you actually know the stated address that you are actually "looking for" the machine (sending a packet to that address) And, in that case, you are not actually looking for the machine, you are just trying to contact the machine. "Looking up" is reasonably accurate (and very much what technical people call it too - even nslookup is, well, by name a lookup) Plus, that is what is happening at that time - the name is being looked up to find the number (IP address) that needs to be used to contact it. As such, I would say the string should not be "Looking for" for the fact that it is incorrect. My personal preference would be for "Looking up" since "mom would understand" it more so than "Resolving."
Most people in this bug seem concerned about status messages for Netscape 6 and/or consumer users, so I've marked this as nsonly. We've had the mozilla discussion in a previous UI bug, and it went nowhere, so the status quo held. Currently, my understanding is that Netscape 6 has not added any features here, so I think it is possible to discuss a set of strings and see if they will take it.
Keywords: nsonly
Comment 9•23 years ago
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"Looking for ..." is technically incorrect and (from a technical standpoint) misleading. If a ISP support bod was to hear a user say his web browser was frozen whilst "Looking for cnn.com," the support bod would probably not think of DNS, but a routing problem to cnn.com. I echo what Michael Sinz has said. Also, "Looking up" is what people do when they need someone's address or telephone number," thus it's not uncommon terminology. I would support this change in Mozilla. If, however, you feel that Mozilla should be "Resolving host ...," please take this bug to bugscape and mark this WONTFIX.
Comment 10•23 years ago
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There is a recent posting in the newsgroups complaining that mozilla is taking so much time for "resolving a hostname" compared to other browsers. Especially annoying for power-users. If this isn't that difficult to fix, I'd suggest to approach quite soon.
Keywords: mozilla0.9.7
Updated•22 years ago
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Keywords: mozilla0.9.7
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Comment 11•22 years ago
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Removing nsonly, since this bug exists for all Mozilla distributions.
Keywords: nsonly
Comment 12•22 years ago
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moving neeti's futured bugs for triaging.
Assignee: neeti → new-network-bugs
Comment 13•20 years ago
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"Looking up hostname.domain ..." is also the traditional Netscape 4.x status message.
Comment 14•20 years ago
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Only problem now is, does anyone have ANY idea who to assign a review for this to?
Comment 15•20 years ago
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Comment on attachment 147968 [details] [diff] [review] Should fix the status bar message to "Looking up..." I realize the priority on this bug is not too high, but the fix is extremely simple, so I thought I'd go ahead.
Attachment #147968 -
Flags: review?(bzbarsky)
Comment 16•20 years ago
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Comment on attachment 147968 [details] [diff] [review] Should fix the status bar message to "Looking up..." This needs review from Darin, I'd say.
Attachment #147968 -
Flags: review?(bzbarsky) → review?(darin)
Comment 17•20 years ago
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Any status update?
Comment 18•20 years ago
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Comment on attachment 147968 [details] [diff] [review] Should fix the status bar message to "Looking up..." I don't think most people think beyond "oh, that's the start message, and then there's the transferring, and then it's done". I'd say "looking up" is the best way to ``translate'' "resolving". sr=jag, but get r= from darin since this is his module.
Attachment #147968 -
Flags: superreview+
Updated•20 years ago
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Attachment #147968 -
Flags: review?(darin) → review+
Comment 19•20 years ago
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To anyone who's reading... I've sent out several requests to jag for checking in this bug, but have received no response. I do not have checkin ability, so if anyone viewing this does, please check this in for me. It would be MUCH appreciated.
Comment 20•20 years ago
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Patch checked in. Marking bug fixed.
Status: NEW → RESOLVED
Closed: 20 years ago
Resolution: --- → FIXED
Comment 21•20 years ago
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Tweaking summary to what was checked in ("Looking up", not "Looking for").
Summary: `Resolving host xyz.foo.bar...' should be `Looking for xyz.foo.bar...' → `Resolving host xyz.foo.bar...' should be `Looking up xyz.foo.bar...'
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