133171 - Debian changes too many things to claim it is "Mozilla"

Status: VERIFIED FIXED

(Tech Evangelism Graveyard :: English US, defect)

Description

[Christopher Aillon (sabbatical, not receiving bugmail)]

Mar 23 15:20:35 <bc_gnumake>    they change the ua string right?
Mar 23 15:23:05 <bc_gnumake>    if they modify it so it is their own distro then
they need to add debian/version to the ua
Mar 23 15:23:17 <bc_gnumake>    we can evang that
Mar 23 15:23:26 *       caillon doesn't know.
Mar 23 15:23:29 <caillon>       their diff is huge
Mar 23 15:23:44 *       caillon looks
Mar 23 15:23:46 <bc_gnumake>    then they need to add their vendor/version stuff
to the ua
Mar 23 15:25:20 <caillon>       It doesn't appear they do from the diff
Mar 23 15:25:21 <caillon>      
http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US/pool/non-US/main/m/mozilla/mozilla_0.9.9-1.diff.gz
Mar 23 15:25:32 <bc_gnumake>    dont' have time to look
Mar 23 15:25:51 <caillon>       I searched for "agent" and only found references
to the UA pref, and to Talkback agent
Mar 23 15:25:59 <caillon>       heh
Mar 23 15:26:51 <bc_gnumake>    search for /[dD]ebian\//
Mar 23 15:27:04 <bc_gnumake>    or any occurence of debian
Mar 23 15:28:41 <caillon>       k
Mar 23 15:33:10 <caillon>       it doesn't appear so, from the diff, but I'm
trying to track down a debian user to confirm
Mar 23 15:33:58 <bc_gnumake>    and they should maintain their own release notes
to show what they changed from the normal mozilla release
Mar 23 15:35:46 <bc_gnumake>    and they shouldn't even call it mozilla. it
should be debzilla or something else

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<biesi> caillon: you wanted somebody using mozilla on debian, right?
<caillon> biesi: yeah, what is the default UA string you get?
<biesi> caillon: according to about: it is Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586;
en-US; rv:0.9.9) Gecko/20020320

Comment 1

[Christopher Aillon (sabbatical, not receiving bugmail)]

<caillon> biesi: if you know a contact or something it would be great
<biesi> caillon: well I could find the email addr of the maintainer of the
debian package
<caillon> biesi: that would rock also :)

<biesi> caillon: Takuo KITAME <[e-mail]>

Comment 2

[Bob Clary [:bc] (inactive)]

ok, writing a note.

Comment 3

[Eloy A. Paris]

Why is this a bug in Mozilla? The Debian Bug Tracking System would be more
appropriate to report this 'bug', in my opinion.

Comment 4

[Anand Kumria]

Bob's first comment is: "they change the ua string right?"

Perhaps you could fill us in because it would seem that that kind of question is
because some bug shows up in Debian's Mozilla but not in the upstream one.

If that is the case that is understandable but the user-agent-policy,
http://www.mozilla.org/build/revised-user-agent-strings.html, doesn't specify
when a build should be considered a branded.

Is that on any change (even those to, say, conform with Linux filesystem
standards); the incororation of bug fixes that will be in later versions of
Mozilla (eg, the Debian build already has the fix for bug 83804 incorporated);
or something else?

[[ addedd dbaron for CC in case guidelines come out of this bug so the
user-agent policy can be clarified ]]

Btw, the Debian mozilla diffs are located at:
http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/m/mozilla/

and the latest one 0.9.9-4 incorpates a user-agent change.

Comment 5

[Bob Clary [:bc] (inactive)]

This issue was raised with the Debian Mozilla maintainer. 

He agreed that some of the changes were not specific to porting Mozilla to
Debian but instead changed the behavior of Mozilla. It was for that reason we
discussed adding Debian to the UA string so that it could be identified. While
it is not clear exactly when a vendor should include their information in the
UA, changing the support for standards or embedding into a different application
such as K-Meleon however should imply that an identification is necessary. 

We had similar issues (to a greater degree however) when K-Meleon used an
identical UA string to Mozilla even though K-Meleon did not support XUL or
Sidebar Tags.

If the Debian Mozilla UA string has been modified, then this bug can be marked
fixed.

Comment 6

[Bob Snyder]

Looks like the Debian maintainer has made this change. From the Debian package
changelog:

mozilla (2:0.9.9-4) unstable; urgency=high

  * added vendor string "Debian" to user-agent value.
  This is needed, and important.
  see http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=133171
      http://www.mozilla.org/build/revised-user-agent-strings.html
  * debian/update-mozilla-chrome:
    - fix mv erorr (closes: #139862)
  * remove embedding-alttext-in-tooltip patch.
    It is marked as INVALID by bugzilla.mozilla.org.
  * added fr templates. (closes: #139884)
  * added more patches
    - bugzilla83289 closes: #138788 single scanlines sometimes dissappear when
scrolling text
  * README.Debian: fix comment for cvs snapshot package. (closes: #140669)
  * debian/rules:
    --enable-xineram (closes: #140620)
  * debian/mozilla-runner:
    quote filename for white space. (closes: #140895)

Comment 7

[Bob Clary [:bc] (inactive)]

-> fixed. thx all.

Comment 8

[Brant Gurganus]

Can't verify.

Comment 9

[Stephan Jaensch]

Verified. The UA string is now Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.9) Gecko/20020402 Debian/2:0.9.9-4 

Comment 10

[Nick Bebout]

Moving to new component