Closed
Bug 241469
Opened 20 years ago
Closed 20 years ago
Help interface not keyboard accessible
Categories
(SeaMonkey :: Help Documentation, defect)
SeaMonkey
Help Documentation
Tracking
(Not tracked)
VERIFIED
FIXED
People
(Reporter: aaronlev, Assigned: pkwarren)
References
Details
(Keywords: access, fixed1.7, late-l10n)
Attachments
(2 files, 4 obsolete files)
7.78 KB,
patch
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rjkeller
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review+
bryner
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superreview+
asa
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approval1.7+
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Details | Diff | Splinter Review |
4.87 KB,
patch
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aaronlev
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review+
bryner
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superreview+
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Details | Diff | Splinter Review |
Bring up Help -> Contents There are 4 tabs - Glossary, Index, Search, Contents There is no way to switch between them using the keyboard. * You should be able to tab to the currently open one and press Up/Down arrow keys to switch between them. * Ctrl+Tab and Ctrl+Shift+Tab should switch the currently visible one.
Reporter | ||
Comment 1•20 years ago
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One more thing to do, use accesskeys: _G_lossary _I_ndex _S_earch _C_ontents so that Alt+letter navigates to the associated panel.
Comment 2•20 years ago
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pkw: please file a bug for Firefox Help at http://bugzilla.mozdev.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=firebirdhelp for this bug, so that we can get this in both help viewers.
Assignee | ||
Comment 3•20 years ago
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This patch adds support for the accesskeys for each of the help tabs, and also adds support for switching between tabs with Ctrl+Tab/Ctrl+Shift+Tab. In addition, I removed the use of the texttab-sidebar class (it doesn't seem to be defined anywhere anymore). I also needed to inherit the "accesskey" attribute in the sidebar xbl, otherwise the access keys were not underlined properly.
Assignee | ||
Updated•20 years ago
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Attachment #147086 -
Flags: superreview?(bryner)
Attachment #147086 -
Flags: review?(rlk)
Comment 4•20 years ago
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Comment on attachment 147086 [details] [diff] [review] Patch v1 > +function showRelativePanel(direction) { > + // direction == 1 to view next help panel, -1 to view prev panel > + var buttons = [ May you please add this comment at the top of the method: ///showRelativePanel() - Shows the next panel in the Help Viewer (generally supposed to be set // off if the user hits the tab key. // direction - Set this parameter to 1 to go to the next panel, or -1 to go to the previous panel. I'd like to have a method description for each method in help.js. Just to be picky, can't we use a boolean variable instead of 1 and -1? This way seems sloppier. > +function showRelativePanel(direction) { > + // direction == 1 to view next help panel, -1 to view prev panel > + var buttons = [ > + 'help-glossary-btn', > + 'help-index-btn', > + 'help-search-btn', > + 'help-toc-btn' > + ]; Can we get this into a public variable outside the method? In the future I am planning on implementing the ability to add sidebars to the help viewer. This would cause problems with that change. > + var i, btn, selectedIndex = -1; > + for (i = 0; i < buttons.length; i++) { > + btn = document.getElementById(buttons[i]); > + if (btn.getAttribute("selected") == "true") { > + selectedIndex = i; > + break; > + } <picky>Can we put the variable i inside of the for loop (for (var i = 0)) instead of what you have now? Since the variable isn't used anymore, it would be most appropriate for it to go out of scope.
Attachment #147086 -
Flags: review?(rlk) → review-
Comment 5•20 years ago
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> + var buttons = [
Once you move this outside the method, change it to sidebarButtons, too. buttons
is not a very descriptive name.
Comment 6•20 years ago
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I understand that Ctrl+[Shift+]Tab isn't available on the Mac so I would suggest you support Ctrl+PgUp/Ctrl+PgDn as an alternative. Also regarding adding sidebars it might be simpler if you just stepped though the helpsidebar-box's alternate children, so selectedIndex would be an even number being childNodes index of the help sidebar box's selected button.
Comment 7•20 years ago
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> I understand that Ctrl+[Shift+]Tab isn't available on the Mac so I would suggest
> you support Ctrl+PgUp/Ctrl+PgDn as an alternative.
Instead of Ctrl+Tab? That wouldn't work because Ctrl+PgUp already has the
function in the <browser> area of help.
Comment 8•20 years ago
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BTW, Neil mentioned on IRC that you should change "direction" parameter name to "goForward" (then you can do selectedIndex += goForward ? 1 : -1;). Thanks!
Assignee | ||
Updated•20 years ago
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Attachment #147086 -
Flags: superreview?(bryner)
Assignee | ||
Comment 9•20 years ago
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(In reply to comment #6) > I understand that Ctrl+[Shift+]Tab isn't available on the Mac so I would suggest > you support Ctrl+PgUp/Ctrl+PgDn as an alternative. Can you explain this a bit more (not too familiar with Macs)? Wouldn't Cmd+Tab or Cmd+Shift+Tab work on Mac, or is there a conflict?
Assignee | ||
Updated•20 years ago
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Attachment #147086 -
Attachment is obsolete: true
Assignee | ||
Comment 10•20 years ago
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- I have changed the patch so it dynamically builds a list of the buttons which are children of "helpsidebar-box", as Neil has described. This seems more flexible than the previous patch and should work when new buttons are added. - Renamed buttons array to sidebarButtons, even though it is still local to the showRelativePanel function. - Changed showRelativePanel to accept a boolean value and added a description of the method. - Moved variable 'i' within the loop.
Assignee | ||
Updated•20 years ago
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Attachment #147169 -
Flags: review?(rlk)
Reporter | ||
Comment 11•20 years ago
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Ctrl+tab and Ctrl+Shift+tab are available on Macs. See http://www.mozilla.org/docs/end-user/moz_shortcuts.html#page_navigation We already use that to switch tabs in the browser. It's Cmd+tab and Cmd+Shif+tab that are not available on OS X. They're reserved for switching among active apps. http://www.mozilla.org/projects/ui/accessibility/mozkeylist.html#TAB So, it's fine to use Ctrl+Tab and Ctrl+Shift+Tab. You can support Ctrl+PgUp/Ctrl+PgDn as well if you want, since that is another shortcut that often means to switch tabs. Since it's not as well known, and because you have the accesskeys working, it's not a priority.
Assignee | ||
Comment 12•20 years ago
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Comment on attachment 147169 [details] [diff] [review] Patch v2 Meant to change this to control instead of accel.
Attachment #147169 -
Attachment is obsolete: true
Attachment #147169 -
Flags: review?(rlk)
Assignee | ||
Comment 13•20 years ago
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This is the correct one.
Assignee | ||
Updated•20 years ago
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Attachment #147171 -
Flags: review?(rlk)
Comment 14•20 years ago
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Comment on attachment 147171 [details] [diff] [review] Patch v3 r=rlk@trfenv.com, Thanks for those changes! This patch looks great!
Attachment #147171 -
Flags: superreview?(bryner)
Attachment #147171 -
Flags: review?(rlk)
Attachment #147171 -
Flags: review+
Comment 15•20 years ago
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(In reply to comment #11) >Ctrl+tab and Ctrl+Shift+tab are available on Macs. See >http://www.mozilla.org/docs/end-user/moz_shortcuts.html#page_navigation >We already use that to switch tabs in the browser. Does that mean that we need to get rid of this line? http://lxr.mozilla.org/seamonkey/source/xpfe/global/resources/content/bindings/tabbrowser.xml#1430
Updated•20 years ago
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Attachment #147171 -
Flags: superreview?(bryner) → superreview+
Assignee | ||
Comment 16•20 years ago
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Comment on attachment 147171 [details] [diff] [review] Patch v3 Requesting Mozilla 1.7 approval for a simple patch which enables keyboard navigation of help.
Attachment #147171 -
Flags: approval1.7?
Assignee | ||
Comment 17•20 years ago
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Fix checked in to trunk. Leaving open for 1.7 approval. Checking in extensions/help/resources/content/help.js; /cvsroot/mozilla/extensions/help/resources/content/help.js,v <-- help.js new revision: 1.54; previous revision: 1.53 done Checking in extensions/help/resources/content/help.xul; /cvsroot/mozilla/extensions/help/resources/content/help.xul,v <-- help.xul new revision: 1.49; previous revision: 1.48 done Checking in extensions/help/resources/locale/en-US/help.dtd; /cvsroot/mozilla/extensions/help/resources/locale/en-US/help.dtd,v <-- help.dtd new revision: 1.12; previous revision: 1.11 done Checking in themes/classic/communicator/sidebar/sidebarBindings.xml; /cvsroot/mozilla/themes/classic/communicator/sidebar/sidebarBindings.xml,v <-- sidebarBindings.xml new revision: 1.3; previous revision: 1.2 done Checking in themes/modern/communicator/sidebar/sidebarBindings.xml; /cvsroot/mozilla/themes/modern/communicator/sidebar/sidebarBindings.xml,v <-- sidebarBindings.xml new revision: 1.12; previous revision: 1.11 done
Status: NEW → ASSIGNED
Assignee | ||
Updated•20 years ago
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Status: ASSIGNED → RESOLVED
Closed: 20 years ago
Resolution: --- → FIXED
Comment 18•20 years ago
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Comment on attachment 147171 [details] [diff] [review] Patch v3 a=asa (on behalf of drivers) for checkin to 1.7
Attachment #147171 -
Flags: approval1.7? → approval1.7+
Comment 19•20 years ago
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When you check this into the branch, please make a posting to n.p.m.l10n informing our localizers of this late-breaking change. Thanks.
Assignee | ||
Comment 20•20 years ago
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Checked into 1.7 branch. Checking in extensions/help/resources/content/help.js; /cvsroot/mozilla/extensions/help/resources/content/help.js,v <-- help.js new revision: 1.51.2.1; previous revision: 1.51 done Checking in extensions/help/resources/content/help.xul; /cvsroot/mozilla/extensions/help/resources/content/help.xul,v <-- help.xul new revision: 1.48.14.1; previous revision: 1.48 done Checking in extensions/help/resources/locale/en-US/help.dtd; /cvsroot/mozilla/extensions/help/resources/locale/en-US/help.dtd,v <-- help.dtd new revision: 1.11.14.1; previous revision: 1.11 done Checking in themes/classic/communicator/sidebar/sidebarBindings.xml; /cvsroot/mozilla/themes/classic/communicator/sidebar/sidebarBindings.xml,v <-- sidebarBindings.xml new revision: 1.2.88.1; previous revision: 1.2 done Checking in themes/modern/communicator/sidebar/sidebarBindings.xml; /cvsroot/mozilla/themes/modern/communicator/sidebar/sidebarBindings.xml,v <-- sidebarBindings.xml new revision: 1.11.88.1; previous revision: 1.11 done
Keywords: fixed1.7
Reporter | ||
Comment 21•20 years ago
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I still have a problem with this in that I can Ctrl+tab to one of the help panels, or hit Alt+letter to get there -- but then I can't down arrow into the tree/list view of items in the panel. It should automatically select the first item if another item isn't already selected.
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Comment 22•20 years ago
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Reopening because it still isn't keyboard accessible unless I can arrow into those tree views/lists. Am I doing something wrong?
Status: RESOLVED → REOPENED
Resolution: FIXED → ---
Comment 23•20 years ago
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It would be nice to have these shortcuts in the Help Window Shortcuts section of the Help Viewer.
Comment 24•20 years ago
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these keyboard shortcuts work for me with recent builds: alt+g Glossary alt+i Index alt+s Search alt+c Contents But as Aaron pointed out, it is still not possible to get to the contents of the selected tab via the keyboard Can we give focus to the first item in the tab, then up and down arrows work.
Hardware: PC → HP
Reporter | ||
Updated•20 years ago
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OS: Windows XP → All
Hardware: HP → All
Comment 25•20 years ago
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Reporter | ||
Comment 26•20 years ago
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Maybe this is an improvement, but there are still a number of problems. 1) There are dead items in the tab cycle, where focus is not visible 2) When a tab with a tree view is focused, it's not apparent until you down arrow once. What should happen is that the first item gets selected if nothing else is already selected. 3) It should only take one tab press to get out of a tree view and into the content in the right pane. A shift+tab from there should get back to the tree view.
Comment 27•20 years ago
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* Turns sidebar buttons into toolbarbuttons to stop them taking focus * Adds class="focusring" to the trees to show focus in a theme-friendly way
Updated•20 years ago
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Attachment #150018 -
Attachment is obsolete: true
Comment 28•20 years ago
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(In reply to comment #27) > Created an attachment (id=150097) > Improved focus fix > > * Turns sidebar buttons into toolbarbuttons to stop them taking focus > * Adds class="focusring" to the trees to show focus in a theme-friendly way Why are we having this class? The code doesn't seem to interact with it. Also, why did you remove the second part of your original patch? I know that bug 244744 was checked in, but I'd still ilke to have it to prevent further logic errors that may occur with other content packs.
Comment 29•20 years ago
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(In reply to comment #28) >(In reply to comment #27) >>* Adds class="focusring" to the trees to show focus in a theme-friendly way > Why are we having this class? The code doesn't seem to interact with it. It's something that themes support to make focussing trees more noticable.
Comment 30•20 years ago
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Comment on attachment 150097 [details] [diff] [review] Improved focus fix > * Turns sidebar buttons into toolbarbuttons to stop them taking focus Neil, I applied your patch and it doesn't fix this issue you noted in your comment. The sidebar buttons cannot obtain focus ever and the trees tend to take all the focus.
Attachment #150097 -
Flags: review-
Comment 31•20 years ago
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The idea is to fix comment 26; parts 1 and 3 are dealt with by changing the buttons to toolbarbuttons and part 2 should be covered by the focus ring.
Comment 32•20 years ago
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Comment on attachment 150097 [details] [diff] [review] Improved focus fix OK, after talking with neil through email I decided to change to review+. This patch looks good. Asking bryner for super-review.
Attachment #150097 -
Flags: superreview?(bryner)
Attachment #150097 -
Flags: review-
Attachment #150097 -
Flags: review+
Reporter | ||
Comment 33•20 years ago
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Comment on attachment 150097 [details] [diff] [review] Improved focus fix Problems with this patch: 1. Ctrl+Tab and Ctrl+Shift+Tab no longer switch between help tabs. 2. Sometimes when you tab into the help content pane, then shift+tab back you don't end up back in the list. For example, go to Index, arrow down to Account Settings. Press Tab, then Shift+Tab. You should be back in account settings. 3. When you focus one of the tabs with a tree view for the first time, it's not obvious you can arrow because nothing is highlighted yet. Why not follow my previous suggestion and automatically select the first item if nothing else has been selected yet? It is normal in a situation like this, to start selection on the first item rather than have no obvious focus in the list. Sorry, I'm putting r- (don't mean to step on rlk's toes), but it at least should not break Ctrl+Tab and Ctrl+Shift+Tab, and would hopefully get this finally completely right so we can put it to rest.
Attachment #150097 -
Flags: review+ → review-
Comment 34•20 years ago
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(In reply to comment #33) > (From update of attachment 150097 [details] [diff] [review]) > Problems with this patch: > 1. Ctrl+Tab and Ctrl+Shift+Tab no longer switch between help tabs. Did it ever? I never knew it ever worked (I've never been able to get it to work ;)). > 2. Sometimes when you tab into the help content pane, then shift+tab back you > don't end up back in the list. For example, go to Index, arrow down to Account > Settings. Press Tab, then Shift+Tab. You should be back in account settings. > 3. When you focus one of the tabs with a tree view for the first time, it's not > obvious you can arrow because nothing is highlighted yet. Why not follow my > previous suggestion and automatically select the first item if nothing else has > been selected yet? It is normal in a situation like this, to start selection on > the first item rather than have no obvious focus in the list. good catch! > > Sorry, I'm putting r- (don't mean to step on rlk's toes), but it at least > should not break Ctrl+Tab and Ctrl+Shift+Tab, and would hopefully get this > finally completely right so we can put it to rest. > No, feel free to change my reviews if I've made an error! I totally forgot to test Ctrl+Shift+Tab.
Reporter | ||
Comment 35•20 years ago
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Ctrl+Tab and Ctrl+Shift+Tab work in help for me: Mozilla 1.8a2 Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8a2) Gecko/20040603
Comment 36•20 years ago
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(In reply to comment #33) >(From update of attachment 150097 [details] [diff] [review]) >Problems with this patch: >1. Ctrl+Tab and Ctrl+Shift+Tab no longer switch between help tabs. Good catch. Fortunately it's a one line fix. >2. Sometimes when you tab into the help content pane, then shift+tab back >you don't end up back in the list. It's always worked like this (at least, since 1.5 if not before)... >3. When you focus one of the tabs with a tree view for the first time, it's >not obvious you can arrow because nothing is highlighted yet. Why not follow >my previous suggestion and automatically select the first item if nothing >else has been selected yet? Because selecting the first item will load it...
Reporter | ||
Comment 37•20 years ago
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> >2. Sometimes when you tab into the help content pane, then shift+tab back > >you don't end up back in the list. > It's always worked like this (at least, since 1.5 if not before)... Should we file a separate bug on that or do you want to fix it here? The reverse focus cycle should be the exact reverse of the forward focus cycle. I need a better way of saying that, but you know what I mean :) > >3. When you focus one of the tabs with a tree view for the first time, it's > >not obvious you can arrow because nothing is highlighted yet. Why not follow > >my previous suggestion and automatically select the first item if nothing > >else has been selected yet? > Because selecting the first item will load it... That would be okay with me, because the first item in the Contents tab (which is the tab that's selected when help opens) is "Help and Support Center" which is the content that's already loaded. It would be fine if opening up the glossary or index tab opened up a glossary or index page. When a list or tree view is opened with nothing selected, a lot of users wouldn't know they could start selecting by pressing down arrow. At least the first item should have a dotted focus outline around it, even if it's not selected. Show me another accessible app besides Mozilla that opens up a tree view or list with no items selected or focused when the tree/list itself has focus.
Comment 38•20 years ago
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(In reply to comment #37) >>>2. Sometimes when you tab into the help content pane, then shift+tab back >>>you don't end up back in the list. >>It's always worked like this (at least, since 1.5 if not before)... >Should we file a separate bug on that Do you really want tabbing into the help content pane to focus the first link in the page, rather than the one that was just scrolled to? >... the first item in the Contents tab ... is "Help and Support Center" >which is the content that's already loaded. Um... no. For a trivial example, Help/For IE Users.
Reporter | ||
Comment 39•20 years ago
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(In reply to comment #38) > (In reply to comment #37) > >>>2. Sometimes when you tab into the help content pane, then shift+tab back > >>>you don't end up back in the list. > >>It's always worked like this (at least, since 1.5 if not before)... > >Should we file a separate bug on that > Do you really want tabbing into the help content pane to focus the first link in > the page, rather than the one that was just scrolled to? Ok, I see what the issue is. Strange. I never ran across this situation before, so I'll have to think about it. > > >... the first item in the Contents tab ... is "Help and Support Center" > >which is the content that's already loaded. > Um... no. For a trivial example, Help/For IE Users. I'm not following the example -- that's the 3rd item in that tab. It wouldn't automatically select the first item if that item was already selected. It would only automatically select the first item when that tab gets focused, and nothing else was selected.
Comment 40•20 years ago
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Actually I meant the browser's menu help -> for ie users...
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Comment 41•20 years ago
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For that one perhaps the initial selection should be on the relevant tree item "For Internet Explorer Users". Wouldn't that be expected?
Comment 42•20 years ago
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Unfortunately in general it appears to be computationally expensive to determine which entry in the tree corresponds to the loaded page.
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Comment 43•20 years ago
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(In reply to comment #42) > Unfortunately in general it appears to be computationally expensive to determine > which entry in the tree corresponds to the loaded page. Thanks Neil. Are you going to post a new patch with Ctrl+Tab/Ctrl+Shift+Tab fixed?
Comment 44•20 years ago
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Attachment #150097 -
Attachment is obsolete: true
Updated•20 years ago
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Attachment #150276 -
Flags: review?(aaronleventhal)
Reporter | ||
Comment 45•20 years ago
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Comment on attachment 150276 [details] [diff] [review] Fixed fix Even though once you tab into content, it's hard to tab back to the Glossary/Index/Search/Contents, using Tab or Shift+Tab, you can use F6 to get back there. Also, the accesskeys work. Anyway, this is a great improvement. We'll see how this all goes with end users. Thank you. r=aaronl
Attachment #150276 -
Flags: review?(aaronleventhal) → review+
Updated•20 years ago
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Attachment #150276 -
Flags: superreview?(bryner)
Comment 46•20 years ago
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Comment on attachment 150276 [details] [diff] [review] Fixed fix >--- help.js 17 May 2004 23:23:45 -0000 1.56 >+++ help.js 8 Jun 2004 15:55:57 -0000 >@@ -443,6 +443,7 @@ function showPanel(panelId) { > //add the selected style to the correct panel. > var theButton = document.getElementById(panelId + "-btn"); > theButton.setAttribute("selected", "true"); >+ document.commandDispatcher.advanceFocusIntoSubtree(theButton); does theButton.focus(); not work? or are you trying to focus something other than the button?
Updated•20 years ago
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Attachment #150097 -
Flags: superreview?(bryner)
Comment 47•20 years ago
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(In reply to comment #46) >(From update of attachment 150276 [details] [diff] [review]) >>+ document.commandDispatcher.advanceFocusIntoSubtree(theButton); > >does > >theButton.focus(); > >not work? or are you trying to focus something other than the button? Correct, I want to focus the tree or search field depending on which panel is exposed (in fact the toolbarbutton does not take focus).
Updated•20 years ago
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Attachment #150276 -
Flags: superreview?(bryner) → superreview+
Reporter | ||
Comment 48•20 years ago
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Checked in for Neil. Did anyone file a bug on Firefox for this? Checking in help.js; /cvsroot/mozilla/extensions/help/resources/content/help.js,v <-- help.js new revision: 1.59; previous revision: 1.58 done Checking in help.xul; /cvsroot/mozilla/extensions/help/resources/content/help.xul,v <-- help.xul new revision: 1.51; previous revision: 1.50 done
Reporter | ||
Comment 49•20 years ago
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Bug 251382 is the firefox bug.
Status: REOPENED → RESOLVED
Closed: 20 years ago → 20 years ago
Resolution: --- → FIXED
Updated•20 years ago
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Status: RESOLVED → VERIFIED
Updated•20 years ago
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Product: Browser → Seamonkey
Comment 50•5 years ago
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Keywords: sec508
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