78843 - Mailnews window contains large envelope

Status: VERIFIED INVALID

(SeaMonkey :: MailNews: Message Display, defect)

Description

[Mike Gratton]

The mailnews FE window using the Modern skin contains a large envelope at the
far left hand side of the Mail Toolbar.

This envelope does absolutely nothing, except of course using up valuable screen
real-estate. It also gets in the way whenever a long-term user of
Mozilla/Netscape mail want to check for new messages.

Please remove it, or at least put it on the far right of the toolbar.

Comment 1

[Mike Gratton]

Attachment: Screenshot showing exactly how annoying the envelope is

Comment 2

[Mike Gratton]

The attachment shows how my first virtual desktop normally looks. Note that the
browser overlaps the mailnews window by just enough to see my mailboxen and the
status thereof.

Note also how the envelope on the toolbar completly obscures all buttons from
view, making the toolbar useless.

Comment 3

[(not reading, please use [e-mail] instead)]

over to marlon.  he may have a dup already.

Comment 4

[marlon bishop]

marking invalid.  please send your opinions on the modern theme to:

mailto://[e-mail]

Comment 5

[[e-mail] (gone - use [e-mail] instead)]

verified.

Comment 6

[timeless]

*** Bug 86020 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

Comment 7

[Håkan Waara]

Reopening - people still want you to remove this from the theme.

Comment 8

[marlon bishop]

"Netscape's nonbrowser applications, such as the Netscape Messenger e-mail 
client, sport new icons on the left side of the main window toolbar. They're not 
active buttons or clickable icons, they simply help you tell which application 
you're in. For example, in Messenger, the icon is a little envelope--a nice touch 
that we appreciate." - Cnet

http://www.cnet.com/software/0-3227883-8-6249661-2.html?tag=st.sw.3227883-8-
6249661-3.subdir.3227883-8-6249661-2

Comment 9

[Kathleen :Brade]

I want to hear what cnet says after they've used the product for a few days.
Personally, I'm always mousing to the wrong location to find "save" (in 
Composer), "send" in mail compose, or "get new messages" in mail.  It is *quite* 
annoying/frustrating.  My motor memory is very strong.

Comment 10

[Chris McAfee]

We need to remember a lot of our customer base would have been
4.x users at some point, and they're gonna look for toolbars
to start from the left side, not the left side offset by the big icon.
Great idea, don't do it here.  Use this icon for window/desktop icons.

Also, during 4.x we had terrible toolbar realestate issues,
we're using a lot of space here with no functionality.
We learned a lot during 4.x, let's not forget about all that
hard work.

Comment 11

[Matthew T (active 1999-2002)]

*** Bug 79985 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

Comment 12

[Matthew T (active 1999-2002)]

I suggest adding a tooltip to this icon, and also to the non-functional icons 
in the Composer and Address Book toolbars:
|
| This graphic does not do anything.

This wording has the advantage of being consistent with the tooltip for the
non-functional icon which is already listed in the User Interface Hall of Shame 
<http://iarchitect.com/stupid.htm#STUPID33>.

Comment 13

[marlon bishop]

lacking validity

Comment 14

[Kathleen :Brade]

Reopen because I believe this bug is still valid.
After all of these months, my muscle memory still takes me to the top left of the 
toolbar for New and Open in Composer, Send in mail compose, and Get Messages in 
Mail.

Are my muscles the only ones hardwired to these locations?

Comment 15

[Chris McAfee]

Marlon, if the UE Jihad won't fix this, please mark it won't fix.

I stand by my last comment, this is just a waste of space,
important space, probably the first icon the user will look at
when looking at the page for the first time.

Comment 16

[marlon bishop]

here's why it's invalid:  MARKETING.  we are actually marketing a product here 
folks. isn't it simply preposterous??  don't you wish we all had MBAs so we could 
possibly fathom this mystical sorcery?  it's witchcraft!! 

This is non-trivial, it cannot simply be flipped around. a decision had to be 
made between keeping mastheads or losing them all together.   

Don't lose hope, there's light at the end of the tunnel for the masthead Jihad 
and the 0.0005% of market we don't cater the default theme to - Toolbar 
Customization, it's around the corner. in the mean time, user.css:

.toolbar-primary-icon {
visibility: collapse;
}

Comment 17

[Håkan Waara]

If Netscape wants this "feature" in their browser for important marketing
purposes; so be it, but if I submit a patch to remove this from Mozilla because
lots of people don't like it in here, then you'd have no reason to decline it.

Right?

Comment 18

[(not reading, please use [e-mail] instead)]

right now, modern skin has  those icons.  

hewitt (the module owner for the modern skin) gets to make the call to keep them
or remove them.

given that you have a work around (user.css) and an alternative skin (classic)
with out these icons, we're not going to take a change to modern, unless hewitt
deems it so.