Closed Bug 127495 Opened 23 years ago Closed 23 years ago

Need newsgroup for off-topic postings

Categories

(mozilla.org Graveyard :: Server Operations, task)

Product:
mozilla.org Graveyard
Component:
Server Operations
Type:
task
Priority:
Not set
Severity:
normal

Tracking

(Not tracked)

Status:
VERIFIED WONTFIX

People

(Reporter: jonasj, Unassigned)

Details

We really need a newsgroup for off-topic postings. There is currently a thread over in netscape.public.mozilla.general which started as a question about spam filters but which has now morphed into a discussion of the morality of pornography. I propose mozilla.bad-attitude. :-)
Be aware, of course, that while such a newsgroup may be useful to vent, it won't actually prevent people from being disruptive in the other newsgroups, if they so choose.
What about mozilla.flaming ;-) Seriously, mozilla.bad-attitude and mozilla.off-topic both sound good. #1: Of course, but we could set the follow-up to mozilla.*thisnewgroup*, and then at least the rest of the discussion from our post on won't be in other groups any more (unless someone else uses follow-up again).
Markus is the news guy.
Assignee: daruszka → mbaur
Yeah, lets get an OT newsgroup, the US Export Restrictions thread at n.p.m.general has very little to do with Mozilla, with the exception of a notice whenever we download binaries. :P n.p.m.off-topic sounds great to me!
I prefer n.p.m.bad-attitude over n.p.m.off-topic. "The Bad Attitude newsgroup was a continuation of a tradition started at SGI: it was an anything-goes forum for venting. It was a place to get things off your chest in as inappropriate and vitriolic a way as you felt like. It was for catharsis, and telling the truth without fear of reprisals." -- http://www.jwz.org/gruntle/rbarip.html
just a thought, but -- i think n.p.m.bad-attitude would have too many memories with the issues of the subpoena -- and might make it hard for netscape to go with it...
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Assignee: mbaur → nobody
I suggest n.p.m.chat or n.p.m.social. n.p.m.bad-attitude sounds very inflammatory, like it's for spam, flames, and trolls. n.p.m.off-topic is better but I still think n.p.m.chat or n.p.m.social sounds more friendly. Just my ¤0.02
Why can't I vote for this "bug"?
...i am not agree je ne dois pas convenir no estoy de acuerdo non devo essere conforme eu não devo concordar ich soll nicht zustimmen Parish: That is not the way. That kinds of threads must be mixed with the development of the project, because they must be part of the proyect. Is the only way for introduce the developer, the other cultures of this planet, to MIX THE CULTURES and born a new identity. If those forums exist, the development of the proyect will keep in english, then Mozilla will keep being a project based on an english language culture... If people from all the world is into this, we must learn other languages; as we have learned and helped to learn, little things of HTML or XUL or C++ or etc. If those forums exist, i believe the project dont deserve to be named open. blackbox
#8 > I suggest n.p.m.chat or n.p.m.social. I'd be fine with that. > n.p.m.bad-attitude sounds very inflammatory, like it's for spam, flames, and > trolls. I agree and don't like it because of that either. > n.p.m.off-topic is better but I still think n.p.m.chat or n.p.m.social sounds > more friendly. I'd accept off-topic too. #9 > Why can't I vote for this "bug"? Voting was disabled for bugs in the mozilla.org component. #10 This is *not* a chat room. You posted the same to the .general newsgroup; thus only talk about that topic *there*.
I don't like mozilla.chat -- people might be confused and think it's about ChatZilla. My vote is for mozilla.off-topic now. Dawn: Could you please open an AOL IC helpdesk ticket for this bug?
#11 This is *not* a chat room. You posted the same to the .general newsgroup; thus only talk about that topic *there*. This is not a chat room.
Yes I would like to see such a chat group. Could be named Chat or Off-topic.We could start the (off-topic) thread on original group with a CC to the Chat group. Could prevent threads run 50-75 threads deep on a subject which really has nothing to do with the subject.
I believe, we must teach to the user, open a new thread when the topic has changed.
#13 I have difficulty to understand that one. It doesn't make any sense at all to me. You quoted me and then repeated what I said. #15 You would be one of the first to learn that. Can we finally stop posting off-topic stuff in here?
The new newsgroup spec - http://www.mozilla.org.uk/newsgroups.txt - has users groups and a general group, which is supposed to be "anything goes". Further comments on that spec are (guardedly) welcome, but it has been discussed to death already. We are just waiting for AOL IC to implement it, or someone else to stump up the cash to host our news servers. Gerv
The users groups wouldn't be good places to have off-topic discussions. The general group is what we currently use, but people are screaming at us to stop the threads. Are you saying that in new newsgroup hierarchy, anything, including off-topic threads, are acceptable in the general group?
This has nothing to do with cash. The server is there, it's for mozilla use only and I am willing to give anybody with a clue about NNTP servers and mailing lists access. I just have (very) limited bandwith myself.
Re: Comment #17. Gerv: Are you saying that in the new newsgroup hierarchy, anything, including off-topic threads, are acceptable in the general group?
The purpose of news.mozilla.org is to host newsgroups whose topics have something to do with mozilla. Hosting a newsgroup especially for off topic stuff is a waste of our limited time and resources. Plus, the existence of this group would hardly stop people from spewing drivel in our main newsgroups. marking this wontfix.
Status: NEW → RESOLVED
Closed: 23 years ago
Resolution: --- → WONTFIX
Very well, marking VERIFIED then.
Status: RESOLVED → VERIFIED
Jonas: I'm saying that there will be more leeway than in other groups, with the amount of leeway to be defined. Gerv
Product: mozilla.org → mozilla.org Graveyard
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