1383654 - Remove Live Dwango Reader entry since it is discontinued at end of August

Status: RESOLVED FIXED

(Mozilla Localizations :: ja / Japanese, enhancement)

Description

[Makoto Kato [:m_kato]]

ja locale has Live Dwango Reader entry as RSS reader.  But this service will discontinued at End of August.  So we should remove it after September.  (And should we add any RSS service or Yahoo US's service?)

Comment 1

[Makoto Kato [:m_kato]]

Should we change to default (Yahoo! US's My Yahoo service)?

Comment 2

[Masahiko Imanaka [:marsf]]

I'm not sure which reader is the best for ja users (change to default or any other).

Dwango introduces some alternatives:
http://blog.livedoor.jp/staff_reader/archives/52278396.html

> ・Inoreader（https://www.inoreader.com/）
> ・AOL Reader（http://reader.aol.co.jp/）
> ・Feed Watcher（http://feedwatcher.net/）
> ・Feedly（https://feedly.com/）

Comment 3

[Tetsuharu OHZEKI [:tetsuharu] (UTC+9)]

> ・Inoreader（https://www.inoreader.com/）
> ・AOL Reader（http://reader.aol.co.jp/）
> ・Feed Watcher（http://feedwatcher.net/）
> ・Feedly（https://feedly.com/）

IMO, in my observation area, I feel Feedly or Inoreader is popular in ja users.

Searching in hatena bookmark (http://b.hatena.ne.jp/) - it's the one of the popular social bookmarking service in Japan -  results are:

* inoreader: 534 items (http://b.hatena.ne.jp/search/text?safe=on&q=inoreader&users=1)
* feedly: 2595 items (http://b.hatena.ne.jp/search/text?q=feedly&users=1)

I cannot get the number of Google Search Results if I use "Search Japanese Pages".

Of course, these result is not reflected js users' movement. But I think it shows a trend among ja user.

By these thing, I propose to change to Feedly（https://feedly.com/).
At least, I strongly think that Yahoo! US's My Yahoo is not popular for ja-user and it will mpt good choice for them absolutely.

Comment 4

[dynamis (Tomoya ASAI)]

Based on the popularity, maybe Feedly is more popular than My Yahoo and other services.
At the same time, I think we should include at least Japanese language service(s) for non-english friendly users.

So I suggest to include Feedly and Feed Watcher.

ref: Google Trends of these service names in Japan:
https://trends.google.co.jp/trends/explore?geo=JP&q=feedly,inoreader,aol%20reader,feed%20watcher,My%20Yahoo

Comment 5

[YUKI "Piro" Hiroshi]

Just one sample: I migrated from LDR to Inoreader, because it provides experience similar to LDR's one.

Comment 6

[Masahiko Imanaka [:marsf]]

How many services can we have as feed reader? Once, we had 4 services (see Bug 649888).
If they can be added. My suggestion is below or less.

0. Feedly
1. Inoreader
2. Feed Watcher

"0" means a number of its property: "browser.contentHandlers.types.0".

And, it seems that AOL Reader is not actively developed nor supported.
http://help.reader.aol.com/knowledgebase

Comment 7

[Francesco Lodolo [:flod]]

Note: make sure that you can add a feed via URL, otherwise it's pointless to consider a service that can't be supported.

Comment 8

[YUKI "Piro" Hiroshi]

I forgot that. Inoreader's bookmarklet opens this URL to subscribe:

'http://www.inoreader.com/bookmarklet/subscribe/'+encodeURIComponent(location.href)

Comment 9

[Francesco Lodolo [:flod]]

(In reply to YUKI "Piro" Hiroshi from comment #8)
> I forgot that. Inoreader's bookmarklet opens this URL to subscribe:
> 
> 'http://www.inoreader.com/bookmarklet/subscribe/
> '+encodeURIComponent(location.href)

I'm not sure it would work, I've only only seen readers with GET parameters
http://www.netvibes.com/subscribe.php?url=%s

Does this work?
http://www.inoreader.com/bookmarklet/subscribe/https://blog.mozilla.org/feed

Comment 10

[YUKI "Piro" Hiroshi]

(In reply to Francesco Lodolo [:flod] from comment #9)
> (In reply to YUKI "Piro" Hiroshi from comment #8)
> > I forgot that. Inoreader's bookmarklet opens this URL to subscribe:
> > 
> > 'http://www.inoreader.com/bookmarklet/subscribe/
> > '+encodeURIComponent(location.href)
> 
> I'm not sure it would work, I've only only seen readers with GET parameters
> http://www.netvibes.com/subscribe.php?url=%s

Inoreader provides a link to register itself as a feed reader to Firefox, sorry I missed it.
The link adds these new preferences:

user_pref("browser.contentHandlers.types.6.title", "Inoreader");
user_pref("browser.contentHandlers.types.6.uri", "https://www.inoreader.com/?add_feed=%s");

Comment 11

[Masahiko Imanaka [:marsf]]

(In reply to Francesco Lodolo [:flod] from comment #7)
> Note: make sure that you can add a feed via URL, otherwise it's pointless to
> consider a service that can't be supported.

I mean, how many "default" entries are allowed in the region.properties file.

Comment 12

[Kohei Yoshino]

Some feedback via Twitter: https://twitter.com/mozillajp/status/907009038835208192 and 2 people say in a quote tweet that they are using Thunderbird.

Comment 13

[Masahiko Imanaka [:marsf]]

I couldn't find the uri of Feed Watcher. Anybody knows?

> browser.contentHandlers.types.0.title	= feedly
> browser.contentHandlers.types.0.uri	= https://feedly.com/i/subscription/feed/%s
> browser.contentHandlers.types.1.title	= Inoreader
> browser.contentHandlers.types.1.uri	= https://www.inoreader.com/?add_feed=%s
> browser.contentHandlers.types.2.title	= Feed Watcher
> browser.contentHandlers.types.2.uri	= https://feedwatcher.net/main/ (<- ?)
> browser.contentHandlers.types.3.title	= AOL Reader
> browser.contentHandlers.types.3.uri	= http://reader.aol.com/#quickadd/%s

Comment 14

[Masahiko Imanaka [:marsf]]

I got replied from the person in charge of Feed Wathcer. Currently, the uri is not exist.
Therefore, I will exclude Feed Watcher, at this time.

Comment 15

[Masahiko Imanaka [:marsf]]

Attachment: Remove LDR and add alternatives

Comment 16

[Masahiko Imanaka [:marsf]]

Firefox for Desktop (ja/ja-JP-mac)
https://hg.mozilla.org/l10n-central/ja/rev/0729352399ba
https://hg.mozilla.org/l10n-central/ja-JP-mac/rev/788b3ad663ef

Comment 17

[Masahiko Imanaka [:marsf]]

Attachment: Remove LDR and add alternatives for Fennec

And, I missed to Fennec, sorry.

Comment 18

[Francesco Lodolo [:flod]]

Comment on attachment 8922319 [details] [diff] [review]
Remove LDR and add alternatives for Fennec

Review of attachment 8922319 [details] [diff] [review]:
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I'm honestly not sure if these are used, but it won't hurt to have consistency

Comment 19

[Masahiko Imanaka [:marsf]]

Firefox for Android
https://hg.mozilla.org/l10n-central/ja/rev/cdb207d16ff7
https://hg.mozilla.org/l10n-central/ja-JP-mac/rev/6d5963ec11db

To ja users, please verify them and mark this bug as verified.

Fennec has a feature to subscribe feeds.
http://starkravingfinkle.org/blog/2013/04/firefox-for-android-subscribing-to-feeds/

Thanks!

Comment 20

[Caret Inc.]

It is Caret Co., Ltd. which is a Feed Watcher operating company.
Thank you for considering adopting Feed Watcher this time.

Registration to Feed Watcher can be registered at the following URL.

https://feedwatcher.net/main/Addfeed?url=%s

There are over 1 million accesses from Firefox every month, so I would be pleased if you would like to use this if you do not mind.

I am sorry for my poor English.
Thank you.