152633 - mozilla.org mailing lists do not mirror all newsgroup postings.

Status: VERIFIED FIXED

(mozilla.org Graveyard :: Server Operations, task)

Description

[Wan-Teh Chang]

I am subscribed to two mozilla.org mailing lists
([e-mail] and [e-mail]),
which are supposed to mirror the corresponding
netscape.public.mozilla.* newsgroups.

Recently I found that most newsgroup postings are
not mirrored on the mailing lists.  It seems as if
there were some (antispam?) mail filters that got
overly aggressive.

Comment 1

[Dave Miller [:justdave]]

Reassigning to default owner/qa on endico's open bugs so I don't have to watch
her to get mail on them.

Comment 2

[Dave Miller [:justdave]]

I believe dbaron is the one who's most likely to know what's going on with this
(if it's even happening) since he's the one that's played the most with it
recently.  Any ideas, David?

I do remember seeing the same a few months ago but I haven't seen it recently,
perhaps something's already been fixed that cleared it up.

Comment 3

[David Baron :dbaron: (⌚️UTC-5, no longer working on Mozilla)]

IIRC, this goes back to switching from whatever we used to use to mailman, and
it's because mailman only lets through posts from subscribers (everything else
gets stuck in the moderation queue, which nobody moderates).  We had a nice
global whitelist with the old setup, but endico switched it all when we switched
to the new servers.  I haven't tried to fix the "intended" flaws -- I was only
poking at making the mail go through when it got completely stuck, and I really
don't have time to do more.

I think we should really look into new mailing list software.  mailman is
fragile and doesn't do what we want.

Comment 4

[David Baron :dbaron: (⌚️UTC-5, no longer working on Mozilla)]

Actually, though, this bug predates that switch.  But there are still problems
today with real posts getting stuck in the mod queue for various reasons.  (I'm
actually not sure if these are posts originating via NNTP or via mail.)

Comment 5

[Dave Miller [:justdave]]

Everything I've seen get stuck in the mod queue has come in via email.  The
newsgroup stuff tends to "just show up" on the mailing list.

Seems to me like it was specific things getting stuck in the delivery queue (not
the moderator queue) in mailman, and once your queue monitoring stuff started
working, it kind of went away.

As for new mailing list software, I should point out that we are using a really
old version of MailMan (only because it's the one RedHat supports for RHEL).  We
really should get a current version of MailMan at a minimum.  If we're looking
to actually change, I wholeheartedly recommend Majordomo2.  We use that at
bugzilla.org and it's a list admin's dream come true.  (unfortunately the web
interface still seems to be a little on the confusing side for the end-users,
though it is continuously improving in that regard).

Comment 6

[Dave Miller [:justdave]]

wtc: do you still have problems with this at all?  I'm pretty sure this went away with the move to mailman from slist.

If that's not the case, please reopen.

Comment 7

[Wan-Teh Chang]

Dave: I don't have problems with this any more.