175336 - Different cursor for links that have a target

Status: RESOLVED INCOMPLETE

(Camino Graveyard :: OS Integration, enhancement)

Description

[S Woodside]

Like bug 173403, except display a different finger icon (or add something to it,
or whatever the icon folks think works) if the link you are about to click on
will open in a new window or with any kind of target.

Comment 1

[Greg K.]

Simon, these sorts of RFEs would probably be better for Mozilla than Chimera.
Certainly they should get implemented there first to test their usefulness and
popularity.

Comment 2

[S Woodside]

OK, changing project to "Browser".

Comment 3

[Michael Dubner]

Attachment: Adds 'Open in current window' to right-click menu

Cross-platform installable thing that adds 'Open in current window' to
right-click menu. Known to work with current version Mozilla, know nothing
about Phoenix and others, but it's so simple that should work with nearly
everything.
This possibly not exactly bound to this bug, but lies in same direction.

Comment 4

[S Woodside]

Er, create a new bug for that please!

Comment 5

[Greg K.]

Comment on attachment 108317 [details]
Adds 'Open in current window' to right-click menu

Irrelevant to this bug.

Comment 6

[Greg K.]

Michael, it appears you attached your patch to the wrong bug.

Comment 7

[Christian :Biesinger (don't email me, ping me on IRC)]

*** This bug has been marked as a duplicate of 14027 ***

Comment 8

[S Woodside]

Bug 14027 is a platform generic solution (part of the reason it hasn't been
implemented yet is that there is no platform-generic standard for custom cursors
yet - see also bug 38447). I'll make this a chimera-specific bug and try again.

Per discussion in Bug 14027 there is some simple CSS that could do this for
links with a target set.

a[href][target]:not([target="_self"]),
link[href][target]:not([target="_self"]) {
  ...
}

or ... http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=92729&action=view

Mac OS X has nice cursor support so I'm thinking that there's an opportunity to
improve the aqua-ization of chimera here.

Comment 9

[S Woodside]

back to chimera component for reassesment to maybe implement only in chimear.

Comment 10

[Simon Fraser [no longer active]]

Nice idea.

Comment 11

[Mike Pinkerton (not reading bugmail)]

.

Comment 12

[Samuel Sidler (old account; do not CC)]

Ping. Status update? This isn't a bad idea.

CCing Wevah and Jasper.

Comment 13

[Chris Lawson (gone)]

I also think this is a good idea, and since it's just a forms.css change (most likely), I think we should look into it sooner rather than later.

Mike, Simon, is there any good reason *not* to do this?

cl

Comment 14

[Smokey Ardisson (offline for a while; not following bugs - do not email)]

Doing it correctly is not simply a forms.css change; you can hack it with forms.css, but it's ugly and uninformative (what icon? the cross-hair?  the NW-resize?).

I removed that from my userContent.css precisely because it was an awful, ugly Windows-looking hack.  See e.g. iCab for how this should look/work; it picks up on targeted links *and* changes the cursor when Cmd is held down to indicate the user is going to cause the link to open in a new foo.

Comment 15

[Mike Pinkerton (not reading bugmail)]

sounds reasonable. what cursors would we use?

Comment 16

[Chris Lawson (gone)]

(In reply to comment #15)
> sounds reasonable. what cursors would we use?
> 

Probably some new ones that Jasper comes up with based on the classic "Hand" cursor, unless someone has better suggestions? :)

cl

Comment 17

[Smokey Ardisson (offline for a while; not following bugs - do not email)]

(In reply to comment #16)
> Probably some new ones that Jasper comes up with based on the classic "Hand"
> cursor, unless someone has better suggestions? :)

That's my thought, too.  iCab adds a stack of documents to the hand, which seems to indicate "new" OK.  Maybe a hand with a document with a + sign (if that's not too crowded), which would be more clear.

Comment 18

[Jon Hicks]

Attachment: Ideas for new link-with-target pointer

Maybe this could an opportunity to bring the old mickey mouse glove up to date?

Comment 19

[Håkan Waara]

Nice icons, Jon!

Are there supposed to be one or more cursor? If that's the case, I didn't really understand what the some of them would do.

For the record, I'd vote for the ones to the very left, because they're easier to see, and follows our old-style mickey mouse-hand look.

Comment 20

[Jon Hicks]

Sorry, to be clearer: each row is variations on one idea, so the first one uses the plus sign, the second row 'target' etc. Within each row there are 4 different style options. So there is only meant to be one cursor, but I've just shown a few possibilities! 

Comment 21

[Samuel Sidler (old account; do not CC)]

(In reply to comment #18)
> Created an attachment (id=240134) [edit]
> Ideas for new link-with-target pointer 

Hey Jon,

Going through these ideas at our meeting today, we decided that the "mickey mouse" style of base cursor was the best as it typically conveyed links throughout the system.

Beyond that, we'd like to see further iterations (and some new icons) based on the following:
  * Column 1, Row 3: the "traffic light" icons in the top right of this could 
    convey a better "window" idea. As row 3 stands, it's hard to tell that it's 
    a window.
  * A version with a "document" icon
  * A version using the standard "alias" arrow (maybe a couple of these with 
    some variation? Throw the basic one in there, but any other ideas you have 
    based on that would be great.)

Let me know if you have any questions or need clarification on any of this.

Comment 22

[Chris Lawson (gone)]

Tweaking summary; this was damned near impossible to find until I remembered someone had made a comment about "Mickey Mouse".

Comment 23

[Smokey Ardisson (offline for a while; not following bugs - do not email)]

Mass un-setting milestone per 1.6 roadmap.

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