189395 - e-connect.hu - Sites don't work with Mozilla 1.2xx->1.3.a but work with IE6

Status: RESOLVED FIXED

(Tech Evangelism Graveyard :: Other, defect, P3)

Description

[Attila Mezey]

User-Agent:       Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.3a) Gecko/20021212
Build Identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.3a) Gecko/20021212

on the first page (http://fallenangel.uw.hu) the ENTER and the FORUM buttons
cannot be seen with mozilla, but with IE6 an Opera. On the second page
(http://www.e-connect.hu) the menu of products, cannot be seen on the top left
side of the page with mozilla, but with IE6 and Opera. The Java scripts may not
be interpreted...

Reproducible: Always

Steps to Reproduce:
1. just tipe the URLs


Actual Results:  
see details

Expected Results:  
see detalis

Comment 1

[Phil Schwartau]

Using Mozilla trunk binary 2003011708 on WinNT. I get a 404 error
for the first URL, but I can confirm the report on the second URL.
The left-hand menu does not appear.

The site seems to use sophisticated XML techniques, and perhaps
some Microsoft-proprietary syntax. See the following excerpts from
the menu frame, http://www.e-connect.hu/nav.htm :

<script LANGUAGE="JavaScript">
function menujump(field) 
{
  xmldso.recordset.absoluteposition = field.rowIndex-1;
  var linkdata = xmldso.recordset("xmllink")+'';
  var xmltitle=xmldso.recordset("caption")+'';
  var xmlm =String(xmldso.recordset("type"));

                 etc.

What is that? I tried the following javascript:URLs after loading
the parent site:

javascript:
alert(Object.prototype.toString.apply(window.frames[1].xmldso))
alert(Object.prototype.toString.apply(window.frames[1].xmldso.recordset))


and got these results:

         Moz                       IE6
    [object Window]           [object Object]
     not defined              [object Object]



So already Moz is in trouble with the |recordset| object.


Also look at this from http://www.e-connect.hu/nav.htm :

<script LANGUAGE="JavaScript">
document.write('<xml 
          src="navxml/'+parent.theMenu[parent.theMenu.length-1].Xmlfile+'.xml"
          id="xmldso" async="false"></xml>');



These are not JavaScript Engine issues; reassigning to XML component
for further triage -

Comment 2

[Phil Schwartau]

I think I see one problem right away: the attribute

                      id="xmldso"

in the <xml> element above. IE6 automatically puts HTML ids into the
global JavaScript namespace; W3C-compliant browsers require a JavaScript 
declaration of |xmldso| for it to be defined in JavaScript. This is a
well-known Evangelism problem with IE6. 

Here the id is on an <xml> element and we do seem to be resolving it
(hence the first alert of "[object Window]" in Moz above). But in Moz
it doesn't have any properties like |recordset|.

I will let others comment further -

Comment 3

[Heikki Toivonen (remove -bugzilla when emailing directly)]

They are using XML Data Islands which are proprietary to Microsoft. It could be
simulated fairly easily in Mozilla using XMLHttpRequest object etc. Thad has
been working on documenting this process in bug 116277, but unfortunately there
isn't anything available yet.

This is an evangelism issue, reassigning.

Comment 4

[Jacek Piskozub]

A Tech Evangelism bug should be about one site, not two. Which one am I supposed
to evangelise in this bug? Reporter (Attila), please cvhoose one website and
open a new bug (with Tech Evangelism, Europe: Central component chosen) for the
other one.

Comment 5

[Jacek Piskozub]

I decided to drop http://fallenangel.uw.hu as it does not respond and make this
bug about http://www.e-connect.hu only. Please open a bug about the other site,
if you think that is needed.

Comment 6

[Jacek Piskozub]

Some links about XML Data Islands:

Microsoft documentation:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/xmlsdk30/htm/xmconxmldataislands.asp

A good piece about what they are and why they shoul not be used in Internet:
http://gethelp.devx.com/techtips/dhtml_pro/10min/10min0501/td051501-1.asp

Comment 7

[Jacek Piskozub]

An evengelism letter was sent to [e-mail]

Comment 8

[Jacek Piskozub]

A second tech evangelism letter sent. 

Comment 9

[Jacek Piskozub]

No progress. No reaction. Futuring the bug according to our rulebook.

Comment 10

[Mats Palmgren (inactive)]

*** Bug 254173 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

Comment 11

[Matthias Versen [:Matti]]

domain gone