Closed Bug 190078 Opened 22 years ago Closed 22 years ago

Change the mozilla splash screen. Reopen bug.

Categories

(SeaMonkey :: General, defect)

Product:
SeaMonkey
Component:
General
Platform:
x86
Windows XP
Type:
defect
Priority:
Not set
Severity:
normal

Tracking

(Not tracked)

Status:
CLOSED DUPLICATE of bug 32218

People

(Reporter: hachre, Assigned: asa)

Details

User-Agent:       Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.3a) Gecko/20030110 Phoenix/0.5
Build Identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.3a) Gecko/20030110 Phoenix/0.5

By public interest I urge you to reopen bug 32218.
The community will be VERY angry. They already are angry engough because they
saw how Netscape deals with such things. Don't make it worse. Reopen the Bug and
assign someone NEW to work on it.
If you're new to this bug then please read the last comments approx the last 20
in the bug. You'll see why everyone is angry now.

Reproducible: Always

Steps to Reproduce:
1. start mozilla
2. run to the toilet - FAST

Actual Results:  
You'll probably have to throw up.

Expected Results:  
You shouldn't have to.
Please don't report a new bug for this.

>They already are angry engough because they saw how Netscape deals with such
things.

The developer decides and not Netscape itself.
If you don't agree with the decision, write a mail to staff@mozilla.org and i
hope you have good reasons.


*** This bug has been marked as a duplicate of 32218 ***
Status: NEW → RESOLVED
Closed: 22 years ago
Resolution: --- → DUPLICATE
Severity: critical → normal
My reasons are posted. You're not helping this very much. Read the comments.
Harald, that bug was closed because the discussion was not going anywhere and a
decision had been made to not change the splash screen.  Since the decision was
made to not change it, the bug is WONTFIX.  What am I missing (and yes, I read
the bug)?

Or rather, what is the purpose of filing _this_ bug?  If you're trying to
protest kerz's actions, mail to staff@mozilla.org is the appropriate way to do that.
Status: RESOLVED → VERIFIED
What I hear is "It was decided" I see no such decision in the bug. 
What I REALLY see is that some netscape guys are starting to make decisions
behind the backs of the open source community here in bugzilla and it starts to
REALLY annoy me. And I am NOT the only one.
Again, if the problem is abuse of position (that of being able to resolve bugs)
by specific developers, please contact staff@mozilla.org and let them know about
the problem.  Opening another bug does not help with the real problem you're
describing...
> I see no such decision in the bug.

Harald, in bug 32218 comment #229 kerz - the owner of that bug - resolved it as
WONTFIX.

He also gave the reason ("too many people have filled it with junk") and he
still left the possibility that there might be a new splash screnn at some time
("If it's ever decided that a new splash should go in, a new bug can be opened.").
What the hell is missing?

So if you don't see the decision, you are either blind or you did not see it
because there are loads of spam comments, which exactly is the reason that this
bug is "unmanagable" (as kerz wrote).


P.S.: I'm happy that I do not have to spam so many people here as in the other
bug. Sorry bz, that you'll still get this mail...
Andreas, 

I can't see much spam in that bug, but lots of good new splash screens which all
are MUCH better than the ugly old one.

Also, if the public opinion (70 Votes!) clearly indicates a need to fix that, a
single developer should not (be able to) simply ignore that !

Yours sincerely,
           Gerald
A decision should not be made by the assigned person but by all who contributed
to the bug. Of course he said "this bug is closed basta" BUT THATS NOT HOW
OPENSOURCE  WORKS!! There are people who draw possible splash screens for years
and they are all FUCKED because ONE guy said "this bug is closed" from one day
to another WITHOUT asking ANYONE about it.

THERE are millions of splash screen proposals in this bug but they never came to
a vote - probably because kerz doesn't even want to waste his time with a splash
screen bug. But then he should reassign the bug to someone else. He musn't close it!
The bug has more than 250 comments.
230 or more are SPAM.
Discussions doesn't belong in bugzilla !
(Many ppl will never learn this)

Do you expect that a developer reads all comments ?
never..

Gerald:
70 votes from x000 bugzilla Accounts ?

Btw: the bug is "verified" that means that 2 ppl made the decision and if you
want to hear it :  I'm #3



Harald, to put it frankly: Yes, this IS how open source works. If EVERYONE were
to decide things, the project would go NOWHERE.
I risk being repetitive here, but I feel that Matti and Sören's replies were a
little brusque... so in order:

> I can't see much spam in that bug, but lots of good new splash screens 

There are 35 attachments not marked obsolete.  There are 262 comments.  So 8 of
every 10 comments, at least, are spam.  Further, once you're dealing with 35
possible splash screens it becomes impossible to usefully look at them.  A
gallery that allowed seeing thumbnails of them all (as well as viewing them
full-size) would be much more useful...  That's sort of what kerz was saying:
the bug in its current state is not usable to provide a splash screen.  A bug
with a link to such a gallery and no comments ranting about "Communist symbols"
would be much more productive _if_ the splash screen is to be changed.

> a single developer should not (be able to) simply ignore that

Wrong.  If the single developer is the owner of the relevant code in Mozilla, he
(or she) should and MUST be able to ignore whatever pressures are brought to
bear, if necessary.  Being unable to do so makes one unfit to be a module owner
and leads to lack of coherency in development, lack of progress, and, in the
end, stagnation.  Witness what has happened to the Mozilla UI (and contrast this
to the Phoenix UI, where the developers _do_ ignore suggestions they don't like).

> THATS NOT HOW OPENSOURCE  WORKS

In my experience (Mozilla, Apache, following the Linux kernel), this is
_exactly_ how open source works.  The source is available for all to modify. 
Anyone is free to distribute modified versions.  But changes are merged back
into the "main" tree only if the maintainer of the main tree wants them.  Groups
that are interested in a change that the main tree will not take maintain a
branch with that change.

For a very succinct summary of what most Mozilla developers consider the open
source philosophy, please see
http://www.lib.uaa.alaska.edu/linux-kernel/archive/2002-Week-44/0094.html

Now kerz, unlike Linus, is not the sole maintainer of Mozilla.  Again, if you
think that he has overstepped his bounds, staff@mozilla.org would be the people
to contact.
this is inappropriate.  closing - reopen only if you can prove this isn't a
duplicate bug.
Status: VERIFIED → CLOSED
CLOSED is deprecated.
Product: Browser → Seamonkey
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