191889 - Mac versions are confusing, need more up to date information

Status: VERIFIED WORKSFORME

(SeaMonkey :: General, defect)

Description

[Joseph Delaney]

User-Agent:       Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X; en-US; rv:1.3b) Gecko/20030122
Build Identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X; en-US; rv:1.3b) Gecko/20030122

There are several versions of Mozilla for Mac, and it is unclear which is
considered the fully supported version. The latest CFM build seems to have
stopped at Jan 22, 2003 but the Mach-O build still comes with a readme that says
the CFM build is preferable (I am referring to the binaries in the /latest/
directory, not the source). 

It needs to be documented somewhere like the main Mozilla page, the status
report page, or the Fizilla ports page which build is the one to use for
testing, general use, etc.

If the Mach-O build is now the main one, the readme file needs to be removed.
The CFM build should have a readme added to state that it is being discontinued
or phased out or whatever is happening to it. 

There needs to be some explanaition of  what the difference is between
MacMozilla-MachO.dmg.gz (which doesn't seem to run at all) and
mozilla-mac-MachO.dmg.gz (which does)

Reproducible: Always

Steps to Reproduce:
1. Go to the http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla/nightly/latest/ directory and
download any Mac version.
Actual Results:  
Frustration. Incorrectly reporting that some bugs have not been fixed because
I'm using the "wrong" build. Avoidable crashes.

Comment 1

[Sean Harding]

So I take it mozilla-macosX-cfm.smi.bin is the same as the
"mozilla-macosX-trunk.smi.bin" referenced in the Mach-O version readme?
"mozilla-macosX-trunk.smi.bin" is what I had been downloading for months, but I
wasn't aware that the name was changing.

Comment 2

[kguru]

There also appears to be 2 different Mach) builds.  One was updated on January
30th and it doesn't work.  The other has been updated and works, but it says its
also an experimental build.  If I click on the direct link on Mozilla.org to
download a nightly build it downloads the CFM build which is not the correct build.

Comment 3

[Frankie]

This could be thought of as two (possibly more) distinct bugs.

First, the Mac builds available in nightly/latest* are confusing and include
obsoleted versions.

Second, the documentation accompanying these builds is outdated and incorrect. I
would say this is the most important part, and blocks 1.3 final (if not 1.3b). 

If 20021222 really is the last CFM (and Classic) build that will be released,
then the ReadMe must indicate that fact and point people to Mach-O instead.
Meanwhile, the Mach-O ReadMe should be replaced entirely.

Third, the Mozilla web site contains many different explanations of Mach-O vs
CFM, some of which are misleading and/or incorrect.

Comment 4

[sonya]

I agree that this is confusing and needs to be fixed.  However, to elucidate for
people until the bug is properly resolved, here is the closest thing I can find
to an official announcement/explanation of CFM vs Mach-O Mac builds.  (In short,
Mach-O is now blessed and CFM no longer being supported by Mozilla.org.)

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=avkj4k%24ihs2%40ripley.netscape.com&output=gplain

Comment 5

[J.J. Enser]

I knew this was going to happen... I'm the release engineer in charge of the
packaging and posting the mac nightly builds.
As both Mozilla and Netscape officially endorsed the mach-o build and decided to
stop producing cfm builds, I did make some changes to the file names, precisely
to *avoid* confusion...

At the same time, I informed Asa (a a few other Mozilla staff members) that the
home page needed to be updated accordingly, to announce these changes and to fix
the download links. I even provided a diff (I don't have cvs privileges to edit
that page myself).

So until this happens, here's the scoop:
the last cfm builds were produced on 1/22 and are left in the 'latest' dir, with
new names:
mozilla-mac-classic-full.bin (used to be mozilla-mac-trunk-full.bin)
mozilla-mac-classic-stub.bin (used to be mozilla-mac-trunk-stub.bin)
mozilla-macosX-cfm.smi.bin (used to be mozilla-macosX-trunk.smi.bin)

The nightly mach-O build was initially named MacMozilla-MachO.dmg.gz but I've
decided to use mozilla-mac-MachO.dmg.gz to be in line with the other bits in there.
I must have forgotten to remove the last build with the old name from the
'latest' dir, which is now fixed.

As to the Read Me file, I agree, it should be revised. I'll look into it.
Asa, can you update the home page with the changes I sent you?

Comment 6

[Ludovic Hirlimann [:Usul]]

Fixing has workform. Now only mach-O builds are available. No more note is
bundled in the .img file provided by mozilla.org.

Comment 7

[Frankie]

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