198312 - installed system font face ignored in version 1.3 final (worked in 1.2)

Status: RESOLVED INVALID

(Core :: Layout: Text and Fonts, defect)

Description

[Frank Emser]

User-Agent:       Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030312
Build Identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030312

In www.frank-emser.de for example, I used the wingdings font to show telephone
and  mail symbols in front of the respective values.
This font is installed on my (windows) system and everything worked okay with my
previous version of mozialla (1.2.0 or .1, i am not sure)
Now I just upgraded to 1.3 final and instead of the wingdings-telephone, a
normal plus is seen etc...

Reproducible: Always

Steps to Reproduce:
1. Build something like this in your code
<font face="Wingdings" size="4">(<span
 style="font-size: 14pt;"></span></font><font face="Arial" size="4"><span
 style="font-size: 14pt;"> [phone]<br>
            <br>
            </span></font>


Actual Results:  
3. a. ...and see a telephone in 1.2-mozilla 
3. b. ...and see a simple plus sign in 1.3final-mozilla


Expected Results:  
show a telephone like before

I did an update from 1.2 to 1.3 final

Comment 1

[Christopher Hoess (gone)]

Ian, what's the status on our Symbol/Wingdings behavior? I can no longer keep
track of that...

Comment 2

[Hixie (not reading bugmail)]

The correct way of including a phone or symbol is to use one of the following:
   ℡ Small letters "TEL"
   ☎ A black telephone
   ☏ A white telephone
   ✆ A telephone location symbol
   ✉ An envelope

See http://www.unicode.org/charts/ for other characters.

choess: The situation is that the quirk only works for <font face="">, and only
in quirks mode. This document is in struct mode. In addition, it doesn't work
for Symbol, and only works on Windows. There are open bugs on these issues.

Comment 3

[Frank Emser]

Look, I especially hate those "designed for Internet Explorer-labels". 
When I created that website, I checked with both:
Internet-Explorer  AND Mozilla (v1.2) 
to be sure that it is displayed correctly with BOTH.
AND IT DID. 
Yes, probably using the "WingDings"-font is a quirk. 
But it is quick and easy and it will
work for my main-audience (Windows).
I was happy with it. 
Now I started using Mozilla 1.3 and it stopped working.  
This is what I call an "upwards compatibility" problem. 
I have nothing against being teached the correct way,
but I expect that things which worked perfectly 
in a previous version of the software keep on working in 
newer versions --- especially when it continues to work 
flawlessly in competing products (IE) and there is no
obvious reason why it should stop working - except probably 
that this is not the most correct way possible.

Anyway, referring to the workaround you proposed:
Mozilla does not display the black telephone ☎
as shown in http://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/U2600.pdf
but instead shows a quite clumpsy telephone.
IE displays that symbol correctly.

The envelope ✉ is well displayed with Mozilla 
but IE fails completely (!) to display it. 
Well, probably this is IE's fault, but who cares ? 

As a summary see:
http://frank-emser.de/test.html
The Unicode section does not display correctly with IE and ugly with mozilla.
The Wingdings section does display correctly with IE and it DID
display correctly with Mozilla 1.2.

I consider it a bug when it breaks upward-compatibility.
and sorry, with all this hassle I am having now
(what is a "correct way" good for if it isn't handled "correctly"
by the most popular browser? ) , 
I cannot consider this problem as "resolved".

I you don't agree, well then me --as a user who simply wants to get 
his job done-- I am probably urged by you to 
optimize my site for "Internet Explorer and old Mozilla versions".
I am not interested about the evangelism of correct ways.
I primarily want to get my site displayed correctly 
in the most popular browser.




it without any 
Thanks for learning me the correct way




http://frank-emser.de/test.html

Comment 4

[Hixie (not reading bugmail)]

Frank: If you remove the DOCTYPE line at the top of your document, it will once
again work the same in IE and Mozilla.

Comment 5

[Frank Emser]

Ok, it works now without that line.
Thanks ian.