Devanagari (and other Indic scripts) are rather like Latin and Cyrillic. They can be used to write multiple languages. Therefore, both in the UI and in our internal references, we'd better use 'Devanagari'/x-devanagari (a la 'x-western' and 'x-cyrillic') instead of 'Hindi / hi-IN'. I raised this issue in bug 204586 and today found that Aloc Kuma also mentioned about it Mozilla I18N newsgroup(news://news.mozilla.org:firstname.lastname@example.org) and my response to him (news://news.mozilla.org:email@example.com) > Why would you need fonts for Hindi separately? Because Unicode is not just for Devanagari and there's a need to let users specify fonts for different scripts separately even though all of them are in Unicode. > (I guess it's something on the lines of IE's script/font mapping - in > that case it should be fonts for devanagari rather than fonts for > hindi) I agree with you and that's why I'm filing this bug. Related to this bug are bug 204586 and bug 206123.
Created attachment 123628 [details] [diff] [review] patch This is a simple patch (mostly in xul and *properties file). Changes in the actual code are just changes in labels (in nsFontMetrics(Xlib|GTK). In nsFontMetricsXft, I added an entry to the mapping table between Mozilla's langGroup and fontconfig's lang. In that case, I followed what's done for x-western, x-baltic and x-cyrillic. That is, I just picked one representative language for the script (Hindi).
Xft change will fix the following symptom observed by Aloc Kuma in his posting (news://news.mozilla.org:firstname.lastname@example.org) > And, there are "no fonts available" for Hindi.
Summary: change 'Hindi' with to 'Devanagari' → change 'Hindi' with to 'Devanagari'
Comment on attachment 123628 [details] [diff] [review] patch This is just a simple change in labelling (more in line with the expectation of Devanagari script users and Hindi speakers). Let's fix this quickly.
The patch looks simple enough. However, I am not sure if it's a good idea to remove 'Hindi'. simon/prabhat: can one of you comment on it? jshin: Dont' get me wrong. I really appreciate your contributions. However, in this case, I am seeking for an opinion from respective gurus.
Comment on attachment 123628 [details] [diff] [review] patch rs=blizzard
Attachment #123628 - Flags: superreview?(blizzard) → superreview+
I'm certainly not a "guru," but to the best of my knowledge the bottom line is that since "Devanagari" is the name of the script, and "Hindi" is the name of only one of several languages that are written in that script, "Devanagari" is acceptable and meaningful to everybody, including Hindi speakers, but it is less acceptable, and probably even annoying, for e.g. Marathi speakers to specify that they want fonts for "Hindi".
Thanks blizzard for sr. Thanks, Simon, for your good explanation. That's exactly what I had in mind. BTW, I have an patch (bug 204586 )to add _lang_ (not langGroup) 'hi' (along with some other 'lang's ) to langGroup.properties file.  In the patch uploaded there, 'hi' may not be present because I dropped it while shuffling a few patches affecting that file. P.S. Roy, I didn't get you wrong by any means :-). Don't worry a bit.
Simon has elaborated it quite well. The other option would be to have Fonts for Hindi Fonts for Marathi Fonts for Sanskrit Fonts for Nepali Fonts for Konkani Fonts for Sindhi Fonts for <some other language that I don't know about which is written in devanagari script> All of them pointing to devanagari. It's a bit like asking French or Italian or Spanish or Indonesian or Malay users to choose fonts for English rather than fonts for Latin/Roman script. Most people would know that fonts for English would work for Malay as well, but it does seem a bit awkward.
Comment on attachment 123628 [details] [diff] [review] patch /r=yokoyama
Attachment #123628 - Flags: review?(yokoyama) → review+
Comment on attachment 123628 [details] [diff] [review] patch Thank you r/sr. Now asking for a1.4 There's very little code change here so that the risk is near nill. Most changes are in properties file. This change is to reflect the reality that Devanagari (the script) is used for multiple languages of India of which Hindi is only one (albeit a widely used one). Making this change available in 1.4 is to please Devanagari users who don't speak Hindi without offending Hindi speakers. The following two lines are not a part of the patch(slipped in from another patch) and won't be committed. +windows-874.LangGroup = th +iso-8859-11.LangGroup = th
Attachment #123628 - Flags: approval1.4?
Comment on attachment 123628 [details] [diff] [review] patch a=mkaply for checkin to 1.4 Please make a note in the checkin comment that this is a change to a DTD (localized file)
Attachment #123628 - Flags: approval1.4? → approval1.4+
r=bobj for UI change and L10N impact
checked in the fix. Thanks all.
Status: ASSIGNED → RESOLVED
Last Resolved: 16 years ago
Resolution: --- → FIXED
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