276599 - On the above site the apostrophe and trade mark symbol show up as a ?

Status: RESOLVED WORKSFORME

(Firefox :: General, defect)

Description

[mike]

On http://www.negotiationdynamics.com/seminars.asp the apostrophe (') and trade
mark symbol (R in a circle)show up as a question mark (?).

Comment 1

[Mike Connor [:mconnor]]

Near as I can make out, that's what we're getting as a character.  This would
seem to be a bug in the ASP script generating the page, since we're rendering
what's sent.

Comment 2

[Ben Fowler]

See Bug 260387 'Greek letter "mu" displays as question mark (no charset info
sent, autodetect)'

When displayed using the UTF-8 charset, various 8 byte characters (© and 
others) are rendered as question marks, as I think that they should be.

If the server is sending ISO-8859-1 (Western European), then it should 
advertise it as such.

<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset="utf-8>
<title>Negotiation Seminars &#65533; Customized Training for Sales and Purchasing Teams
and Other Employees Needing Negotiating Training</title>

I suspect that this is INVALID in that the server is actually sending 
out of band characters.

I feel that this is one of a related bunch of FAQ and is a minor evangelism
issue: servers should send the text encoded as advertised.

Comment 3

[Joshua Zev Levin, Ph.D.]

Apostrophes generated on certain other computers come out at white question
marks on black diamonds.  Apostrophes generated on my computer do not.  Perhaps
those "other computers" are running something other than Windows -- I don't know.

I have a Celeron laptop running Windows XP.

Comment 4

[Ben Fowler]

(In reply to comment #3)
> Apostrophes generated on certain other computers come out at white question
> marks on black diamonds.  Apostrophes generated on my computer do not.  Perhaps
> those "other computers" are running something other than Windows -- I don't 
> know.
> 
> I have a Celeron laptop running Windows XP.

Do you have a testcase to look at?

In any case this report is either a Dup or WORKSFORME in the sense that Firefox
is rendering what is sent per comment 1 .

Comment 5

[Valerio Capello]

*** This bug has been marked as a duplicate of 258285 ***

Comment 6

[Jaime Mitchell (use [e-mail] for email)]

Not a dupe of bug 258285

Comment 7

[Valerio Capello]

oops... I don't know how it could happen. I was actually editing another bug
while hunting down duplicates of the bug (mistakenly) mentioned above.

Comment 8

[drkolb]

I'm not sure that this is the same problem I'm having because only one site is mentioned (it may be a unique problem). I have gotten it on many sites, but not very often. Also, I can't find the errors on the page given. Where were they located?

Anyway, the cause of the problem seems to be that people have copied text from a word processing application and the fancy formatting, like directional apostrophes, has been copied as well. I would still count this as a Firefox bug because Explorer, Safari and even Netscape are able to handle the curved apostrophes properly, at least on a Mac. Rather than trying get people to remove the formatting, or just expecting them to, I think that a way to display them should be found, whether the curve is retained or not.

Bug 316111 seems similar, too. 

Comment 9

[Samuel Sidler (old account; do not CC)]

The page in comment 0 no longer has an issue using Firefox 2.0.0.3. Resolving as WORKSFORME.