324790 - Add the following newsgroups/mailing lists

Status: RESOLVED FIXED

(mozilla.org Graveyard :: Server Operations, task)

Description

[Deb Richardson [:dria] (plz NEEDINFO)]

I've already discussed these with Gerv and Shaver.  I need the following newsgroups (and accompanying mailing lists) created:

mozilla.dev.ajax
mozilla.dev.web-development
mozilla.dev.tech.css
mozilla.dev.tech.javascript
mozilla.dev.tech.html

Comment 1

[Aravind Gottipati [:aravind]]

What should these mailing lists be called?

Comment 2

[Deb Richardson [:dria] (plz NEEDINFO)]

To stay consistent with the current scheme, i believe they should be:

dev-ajax
dev-web-development
dev-tech-css
dev-tech-javascript
dev-tech-html

Comment 3

[Aravind Gottipati [:aravind]]

In a post for a different bug, Dave said that the news groups will have to be created first.  So I will wait for him to get back and do that and then create these mailing lists.  If this is urgent and needs to happen with/without the newsgroups, please let me know and I will go ahead and create them.

Comment 4

[Deb Richardson [:dria] (plz NEEDINFO)]

Creating them at the same time as the newsgroups is perfect.

Comment 5

[Deb Richardson [:dria] (plz NEEDINFO)]

I'm curious whether there's an ETA on this?  I'd like to get the MDC topic pages updated to include all the mailing list/newsgroup links so people know that discussion areas exist, but I'd like to do them all at once.

Let me know, thanks.

Comment 6

[Dave Miller [:justdave]]

(In reply to comment #5)
> I'm curious whether there's an ETA on this?

Hopefully in about 24 hours.  The newgroup request has been submitted to Giganews, I'll get the lists created as soon as the groups show up.

Comment 7

[Gervase Markham [:gerv]]

These groups have now been created, according to my copy of Thunderbird :-)

Gerv

Comment 8

[Dave Miller [:justdave]]

Yeah, I saw them show up yesterday morning and was a bit busy with addons melting under the 1.5.0.1 load. :)  I should have the lists up shortly.

Comment 9

[Dave Miller [:justdave]]

OK, these are done.  You should have the list admin password emails by now.

Comment 10

[Boris Zbarsky [:bzbarsky]]

I'm a little confused by the naming.  I was under the impression that the mozilla.dev hierarchy is for discussion of issues related to the development of the Mozilla codebase.  At least some of these newsgroups seem targeted at web developers, based on the description in dria's blog.  Wouldn't they belong under mozilla.web-developers (which is an already existing part of the hierarchy)?

In particular, what is the difference between mozilla.dev.tech.css and the already existing mozilla.dev.tech.style?  What about mozilla.dev.tech.javascript vs. the existing mozilla.dev.tech.js-engine?  Is mozilla.dev.tech.html for discussion of code under content/html/* in the source tree (which is what I assume based on the location in the newsgroup hierarchy)?  Or something else?

Comment 11

[Benjamin Smedberg]

bz, we want to make sure we *don't* segregate discussion about the mozilla codebase and web content. The mozilla.web-developer hierarchy was a mistake to begin with and this is fixing that problem (the web-developer hierarchy will be removed).

Comment 12

[Boris Zbarsky [:bzbarsky]]

So we want to have the .dom newswgroup to be filled with "how do I?" questions instead of actual discussion about our DOM implementation?  That's a major problem we had with the old newsgroups... but if this is now the official reason for the newsgroup existing, that's good to know.  Now I can unsubscribe from it.

Comment 13

[Deb Richardson [:dria] (plz NEEDINFO)]

These new groups don't seem to be on Google Groups yet.  Could someone look into that?  Thanks :)

Comment 14

[victory <[e-mail]>]

Attachment: gn-lists

m.d.l.cs doesn't exist
m.d.ajax doesn't exist
m.d.web-development doesn't exist

m.d.t.* don't exist
 m.d.t.css has some messages.
m.m.* don't exist

Comment 15

[Deb Richardson [:dria] (plz NEEDINFO)]

Sorry to be a bother about this, but we need the google groups to know about these so we have searchable archives.  

Comment 16

[Dave Miller [:justdave]]

Ticket was opened with Google to request these on February 8th.
They were sent a reminder on March 9th.
I'm sending another reminder right now.

Comment 17

[Deb Richardson [:dria] (plz NEEDINFO)]

It actually looks like they've added them already -- I noticed this last night but forgot to revisit this bug then.

http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.dev.ajax
http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.dev.tech.css
http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.dev.tech.html
http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.dev.tech.javascript
http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.dev.web-development

None have had traffic since being added that I know of, so I can only assume they're working properly.  My apologies for not hitting this bug again last night.

Comment 18

[Dave Miller [:justdave]]

(In reply to comment #17)
> It actually looks like they've added them already -- I noticed this last night
> but forgot to revisit this bug then.

Verified, the other three groups I sent in the same request now exist also.