329666 - Cookie Exceptions Manager: Misleading inscription "allow for session"

Status: REOPENED

(Mozilla Localizations :: de / German, defect)

Description

[Franz]

User-Agent:       Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; de-DE; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050920 Firefox/1.0.7
Build Identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; de-DE; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050920 Firefox/1.0.7

In the DE-Version of firefox the inscription is "Für *diese* Sitzung erlauben"
(allow for *this* session). What does *diese* (this) refer to if you have just started firefox and go straight into the cookie exceptions manager without
having accessed any website?

I would like to suggest renaming the inscription to
"allow for temporary cookies" or "allow for session-cookies"
("temporäre Cookies erlauben" or "Sitzungs-Cookies erlauben").

Otherwise one might think "this session" refers to the current session
of the user with the firefox-program, meaning that the entered cookie 
exception will *not* be kept after firefox is closed.


Reproducible: Always

Comment 1

[Philip Withnall (unavailable)]

Is this still true of the latest version of Firefox? (1.5.0.1)

Comment 2

[Franz]

yes

Comment 3

[Philip Withnall (unavailable)]

Confirmed, then. :)

Comment 4

[:Gavin Sharp [email: [e-mail]]]

I don't understand this bug report. The "allow for session" option means "allow the cookie until the browser is shut down". Why is the "this" problematic? Why does it matter if you've visited a page or not? It disappears when the browser shuts down, either way.

Comment 5

[Kadir Topal [:atopal]]

Gavin is right, the option actually means, that the cookie will be deleted after the user closes Firefox, so this is invalid in my opinion.

Comment 6

[Franz]

"allow for session" indeed means "allow cookies non-persistently".
But then you should say so in the button inscription particularly 
in the German version. There are currently two names for the same thing:

cookie manager:            "bis Firefox geschlossen wird" (until FF is closed)
cookie exceptions manager: "für *diese* Sitzung erlauben" (allow for *this*
                            session)

The latter is misleading (as I have already pointed out in my original report):
The "this" does not refer to the current session but to every session.

Comment 7

[:Gavin Sharp [email: [e-mail]]]

(In reply to comment #6)
> The latter is misleading (as I have already pointed out in my original report):
> The "this" does not refer to the current session but to every session.

Oh, I see: clicking the button doesn't only allow it for "this" session, it allows the site to add session cookies for this and any future session. The "this" could just be removed, right?

Comment 8

[Kadir Topal [:atopal]]

> The latter is misleading (as I have already pointed out in my original report):
> The "this" does not refer to the current session but to every session.

It doesn't! *this* refers to the current session, it wouldn't make any sense otherwise. Besides: The other button in the dialog says "allow", so you have "alllow", "allow for this session" and "block". I don't see what could be confusing here.

Comment 9

[Philip Withnall (unavailable)]

Gavin, Abdulkadir, do either of you speak German? I'm not fluent, but it does look to me as if Franz is right. A direct translation doesn't always give all the nuances.

Comment 10

[Kadir Topal [:atopal]]

Philip, I'm the German localizer. "diese" means this, the words are almost synoymic. Maybe it's me, but I really can't figure out, how these strings could be confusing.

Comment 11

[Philip Withnall (unavailable)]

Alright, just checkin'. ;)

Comment 12

[:Gavin Sharp [email: [e-mail]]]

(In reply to comment #10)
> Philip, I'm the German localizer. "diese" means this, the words are almost
> synoymic. Maybe it's me, but I really can't figure out, how these strings could
> be confusing.

Is my comment 7 not correct? I thought "this" session makes it seem like only the current session, when in fact it could be this and any future session.

Comment 13

[Kadir Topal [:atopal]]

But it really only effects the current session, I don't know why Franz Gans insists otherwise. The word "this" is absolutely valid here. Otherwise the other button, labled "allow", wouldn't make any sense.

Comment 14

[:Gavin Sharp [email: [e-mail]]]

(In reply to comment #13)
> But it really only effects the current session

No, it doesn't only affect the current session. It allows the site to save session cookies for *any* session. If you enter a domain and then "Allow for session", and then restart Firefox, that site can still set cookies for that session. That's why the "this session" is misleading.

Comment 15

[Franz]

It seems that "this" ("diese") has been removed in current versions.

Comment 16

[Franz]

(actually not yet in the german l10n ...)

Comment 17

[Wayne Mery (:wsmwk)]

(In reply to Franz Gans from comment #16)
> (actually not yet in the german l10n ...)

Should this not then be moved to l10n?