Closed Bug 352053 Opened 14 years ago Closed 14 years ago

Approval for change of es-ES sample RSS feed from ElPais.es to 20minutos.es

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(Mozilla Localizations :: es-ES / Spanish, defect)

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RESOLVED FIXED

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(Reporter: rpmdisguise-nave, Assigned: rpmdisguise-nave)

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(Whiteboard: BD approved 20minutos)

In Spain, media is strongly labeled by people as 'left wing', 'right wing' in terms of political orientation. In Firefox 1.5 we used the electronic version of El País, the most-selling daily newspaper in Spain. We chose this after an internal voting of the four really active members of NAVE (Mozilla es-ES L10n team).

However, two of those members have quitted from L10n, and some people complained about choosing a traditionally labeled as 'left wing' newspaper. We thus did a poll on the NAVE mailing list and, as a result, 20minutos.es has been chosen (http://www.elistas.net/lista/nave/archivo/indice/8261/msg/8291/).

20minutos.es is the web edition of 20 Minutos, the most popular free newspaper in Spain. Besides that, it is the only one publishing their contents on the Creative Commons License, and the last survey on media web sites audience put it second just after ElMundo.es (which was also in our poll).

I contacted 20 Minutos last friday night, so I can't expect an answer before monday. In case I receive a negative answe (which, honestly, I don't) I'll close the bug and open another one to ask for 1.5 parity (or will change this one).
Summary: Approval for change of sample RSS feed from ElPais.es to 20minutos.es → Approval for change of es-ES sample RSS feed from ElPais.es to 20minutos.es
Flags: blocking-firefox2?
Flags: blocking-firefox2? → blocking-firefox2+
Flags: blocking-firefox2+ → blocking-firefox2?
Blocks: fx20feeds
Should this be really blocking Firefox 2 or can we go with the 1.5 feed until we have an OK from 20minutos?

Putting this on Mic's radar already, though we're still waiting for feedback from the new site.
Whiteboard: [needs-mic] RSS feed change from 1.5? no perm yet.
Not blocking until we know we want to / have permission to make the change for 2.0
Flags: blocking-firefox2? → blocking-firefox2-
what would be the proposed link to the feed for 20 miniutos?    sounds like google could be inserted in the interim, until we have contacts and permission from 20 minutos.  since this is a server side change it doesn't need to block fx2 shipping, but it should be done as soon as possible to avoid user confussion.
(In reply to comment #3)
> what would be the proposed link to the feed for 20 miniutos?

http://www.20minutos.es/rss/

> sounds like
> google could be inserted in the interim, until we have contacts and permission
> from 20 minutos.


I haven't got a reply yet. I hate these contact forms... :-)

Google News is overwhelming: sometimes it provides two or three new items per minute in the spanish version. It could be an option, but I'd rather wait a bit longer to get a reply from 20minutos.es.


> since this is a server side change it doesn't need to block
> fx2 shipping, but it should be done as soon as possible to avoid user
> confussion.


I totally agree.
heya
it makes sense to request 20minutos but we really are tied on including until we get permission from them so (we don't want to crash their servers ;-)
i agree, let's not make this a blocker until we have permission to use them and then we can launch with 20 minutos
make sense?
best
mic
Whiteboard: [needs-mic] RSS feed change from 1.5? no perm yet. → no RSS feed change from 1.5
Whiteboard: no RSS feed change from 1.5 → server side change as soon as we get ok from 20minutos
(In reply to comment #5)
> heya
> it makes sense to request 20minutos but we really are tied on including until
> we get permission from them so (we don't want to crash their servers ;-)
> i agree, let's not make this a blocker until we have permission to use them and
> then we can launch with 20 minutos
> make sense?


In case you're asking (also) to me, I'm fine with keeping 1.5 RSS (ElPais.es) until we hear from 20minutos.es. I think that asking for a explicit statement from ElPais.es when we're waiting to change it is not an easy task, but in case we get a negative answer from 20minutos.es, I'm pretty sure that getting a formal statement from ElPais.es will be possible.

I'm going to look for other ways to reach 20minutos.es staff. I'm afraid our message have been eaten by anti-spam filters, or just lost in the miriad of messages they surely receive.
Let's sketch out the path here:
If we don't hear back from 20minutos in time, should we:
- go with 1.5 compat and elpais,
- or go with the BBC world and can more happily change that feed once we get an approval from either elpais or 20minutos.

I'm not so fond of changing from elpais to 20minutos after we shipped 2.0, changing stuff under the hood for real end users.
We have the elpais redirect open for now, leaving this bug open to see if we move over to 20minutos.
(In reply to comment #8)
> We have the elpais redirect open for now, leaving this bug open to see if we
> move over to 20minutos.


I'm still waiting for a reply from 20minutos.es (I sent them a direct e-mail, no answer yet). If I don't get a reply before tomorrow evening, I'm ready to discard it.

Our second most voted option was Google News; do we have to get explicit approval for them? If the answer is yes, I think we'll stick to ElPais.es, from which we had a more or less formal approval from Firefox 1.5 time.
Mic, I recall we approved google-news already elsewhere, would that be good for spain, too?

Ricardo, which feed would you like to use?
Whiteboard: server side change as soon as we get ok from 20minutos → [needs-mic] google news ok?
Hey
yes, google reader is fine
BD is good to go
mic
Whiteboard: [needs-mic] google news ok? → BD approves google news
(In reply to comment #10)
> Ricardo, which feed would you like to use?
> 

http://news.google.es/?output=rss

That would be. I assume I don't need to update bookmarks.html, since we're talking of a server side redirection.

OTOH, Google News may face a serious problem all over Europe:

http://www.chillingeffects.org/international/notice.cgi?NoticeID=5133

That could limit Google News RSS feasibility on the mid-term future. :-?
http://news.google.es/?output=rss&hl=es seems to be more like it for now, http://news.google.es/?output=rss shows German news to me, and I'm not sure we want folks with their laptops to come up with local news on any language rather than their spanish news.

If google news goes down in spain, we can still look for other options with an explicit permission.
(In reply to comment #13)
> http://news.google.es/?output=rss&hl=es seems to be more like it for now,
> http://news.google.es/?output=rss shows German news to me, and I'm not sure we
> want folks with their laptops to come up with local news on any language rather
> than their spanish news.


I dunno, I just took the URL linked on Google News Spain. I have no problem with the change if you think it's better; OTOH, not including the hl parameter will make Google News honour the Accept-Language header sent by Firefox, so if the user changes their language preferences, Google News will follow them. Whether if that's better or worse, I'm ready to leave it up to you. :-)
If the change to 20minutos.es is still possible, I could phone directly to 20minutos.

Axel, what do you think?
(In reply to comment #15)
> If the change to 20minutos.es is still possible, I could phone directly to
> 20minutos.
> 
> Axel, what do you think?
> 


We've got official approval from 20minutos.es to include their RSS feed. Again, the RSS feed is:

http://www.20minutos.es/rss/

I can forward the approval e-mail message (in spanish) to whoever collects it, as I did with the DRAE searchplugin change.


Forward it to Mic, and ask her to comment here. Sorry for the lag.
hey
i haven't received the email yet however, assuming it's as ricardo describes we'd be ok to make the addition (and depending on how it should work from an build process perspective which is axel/choffman's call)
hope that makes sense
mic

This is merely a change on the server side. RC1 is out the door, if want to change this, doing so for RC2 is the next good window.
Whiteboard: BD approves google news → [server-side impact only] BD approves google news
(In reply to comment #18)
> hey
> i haven't received the email yet however, assuming it's as ricardo describes
> we'd be ok to make the addition (and depending on how it should work from an
> build process perspective which is axel/choffman's call)
> hope that makes sense


I didn't know who was the one to forward the e-mail. :-) I've just sent it.

BTW, I've noticed that Status Whiteboard still refers to Google News. As we've got approval for our first choice, http://www.20minutos.es/rss/ we would like to go for it.
Is the server-side change going to happen between RC2 and the final release? It still points to google news rss.
Mic, is this ready to go now?
so sorry for delay
BD is good to go, I have received the email for 20minutos
thanks
mic
Added to the wiki, should be part of the next chunk of redirect updates.
Whiteboard: [server-side impact only] BD approves google news → [server-side impact only] BD approves 20minutos
Depends on: 356834
serverside is fixed, too.
Status: NEW → RESOLVED
Closed: 14 years ago
Resolution: --- → FIXED
Whiteboard: [server-side impact only] BD approves 20minutos → BD approved 20minutos
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