352053 - Approval for change of es-ES sample RSS feed from ElPais.es to 20minutos.es

Status: RESOLVED FIXED

(Mozilla Localizations :: es-ES / Spanish, defect)

Description

[RickieES aka Ricardo Palomares]

In Spain, media is strongly labeled by people as 'left wing', 'right wing' in terms of political orientation. In Firefox 1.5 we used the electronic version of El País, the most-selling daily newspaper in Spain. We chose this after an internal voting of the four really active members of NAVE (Mozilla es-ES L10n team).

However, two of those members have quitted from L10n, and some people complained about choosing a traditionally labeled as 'left wing' newspaper. We thus did a poll on the NAVE mailing list and, as a result, 20minutos.es has been chosen (http://www.elistas.net/lista/nave/archivo/indice/8261/msg/8291/).

20minutos.es is the web edition of 20 Minutos, the most popular free newspaper in Spain. Besides that, it is the only one publishing their contents on the Creative Commons License, and the last survey on media web sites audience put it second just after ElMundo.es (which was also in our poll).

I contacted 20 Minutos last friday night, so I can't expect an answer before monday. In case I receive a negative answe (which, honestly, I don't) I'll close the bug and open another one to ask for 1.5 parity (or will change this one).

Comment 1

[Axel Hecht [:Pike]]

Should this be really blocking Firefox 2 or can we go with the 1.5 feed until we have an OK from 20minutos?

Putting this on Mic's radar already, though we're still waiting for feedback from the new site.

Comment 2

[Mike Beltzner [:beltzner, not reading bugmail]]

Not blocking until we know we want to / have permission to make the change for 2.0

Comment 3

[chris hofmann]

what would be the proposed link to the feed for 20 miniutos?    sounds like google could be inserted in the interim, until we have contacts and permission from 20 minutos.  since this is a server side change it doesn't need to block fx2 shipping, but it should be done as soon as possible to avoid user confussion.

Comment 4

[RickieES aka Ricardo Palomares]

(In reply to comment #3)
> what would be the proposed link to the feed for 20 miniutos?

http://www.20minutos.es/rss/

> sounds like
> google could be inserted in the interim, until we have contacts and permission
> from 20 minutos.


I haven't got a reply yet. I hate these contact forms... :-)

Google News is overwhelming: sometimes it provides two or three new items per minute in the spanish version. It could be an option, but I'd rather wait a bit longer to get a reply from 20minutos.es.


> since this is a server side change it doesn't need to block
> fx2 shipping, but it should be done as soon as possible to avoid user
> confussion.


I totally agree.

Comment 5

[Mic Berman]

heya
it makes sense to request 20minutos but we really are tied on including until we get permission from them so (we don't want to crash their servers ;-)
i agree, let's not make this a blocker until we have permission to use them and then we can launch with 20 minutos
make sense?
best
mic

Comment 6

[RickieES aka Ricardo Palomares]

(In reply to comment #5)
> heya
> it makes sense to request 20minutos but we really are tied on including until
> we get permission from them so (we don't want to crash their servers ;-)
> i agree, let's not make this a blocker until we have permission to use them and
> then we can launch with 20 minutos
> make sense?


In case you're asking (also) to me, I'm fine with keeping 1.5 RSS (ElPais.es) until we hear from 20minutos.es. I think that asking for a explicit statement from ElPais.es when we're waiting to change it is not an easy task, but in case we get a negative answer from 20minutos.es, I'm pretty sure that getting a formal statement from ElPais.es will be possible.

I'm going to look for other ways to reach 20minutos.es staff. I'm afraid our message have been eaten by anti-spam filters, or just lost in the miriad of messages they surely receive.

Comment 7

[Axel Hecht [:Pike]]

Let's sketch out the path here:
If we don't hear back from 20minutos in time, should we:
- go with 1.5 compat and elpais,
- or go with the BBC world and can more happily change that feed once we get an approval from either elpais or 20minutos.

I'm not so fond of changing from elpais to 20minutos after we shipped 2.0, changing stuff under the hood for real end users.

Comment 8

[Axel Hecht [:Pike]]

We have the elpais redirect open for now, leaving this bug open to see if we move over to 20minutos.

Comment 9

[RickieES aka Ricardo Palomares]

(In reply to comment #8)
> We have the elpais redirect open for now, leaving this bug open to see if we
> move over to 20minutos.


I'm still waiting for a reply from 20minutos.es (I sent them a direct e-mail, no answer yet). If I don't get a reply before tomorrow evening, I'm ready to discard it.

Our second most voted option was Google News; do we have to get explicit approval for them? If the answer is yes, I think we'll stick to ElPais.es, from which we had a more or less formal approval from Firefox 1.5 time.

Comment 10

[Axel Hecht [:Pike]]

Mic, I recall we approved google-news already elsewhere, would that be good for spain, too?

Ricardo, which feed would you like to use?

Comment 11

[Mic Berman]

Hey
yes, google reader is fine
BD is good to go
mic

Comment 12

[RickieES aka Ricardo Palomares]

(In reply to comment #10)
> Ricardo, which feed would you like to use?
> 

http://news.google.es/?output=rss

That would be. I assume I don't need to update bookmarks.html, since we're talking of a server side redirection.

OTOH, Google News may face a serious problem all over Europe:

http://www.chillingeffects.org/international/notice.cgi?NoticeID=5133

That could limit Google News RSS feasibility on the mid-term future. :-?

Comment 13

[Axel Hecht [:Pike]]

http://news.google.es/?output=rss&hl=es seems to be more like it for now, http://news.google.es/?output=rss shows German news to me, and I'm not sure we want folks with their laptops to come up with local news on any language rather than their spanish news.

If google news goes down in spain, we can still look for other options with an explicit permission.

Comment 14

[RickieES aka Ricardo Palomares]

(In reply to comment #13)
> http://news.google.es/?output=rss&hl=es seems to be more like it for now,
> http://news.google.es/?output=rss shows German news to me, and I'm not sure we
> want folks with their laptops to come up with local news on any language rather
> than their spanish news.


I dunno, I just took the URL linked on Google News Spain. I have no problem with the change if you think it's better; OTOH, not including the hl parameter will make Google News honour the Accept-Language header sent by Firefox, so if the user changes their language preferences, Google News will follow them. Whether if that's better or worse, I'm ready to leave it up to you. :-)

Comment 15

[Rubén Martín [:Nukeador] ❌ [away till Aug 31st]]

If the change to 20minutos.es is still possible, I could phone directly to 20minutos.

Axel, what do you think?

Comment 16

[RickieES aka Ricardo Palomares]

(In reply to comment #15)
> If the change to 20minutos.es is still possible, I could phone directly to
> 20minutos.
> 
> Axel, what do you think?
> 


We've got official approval from 20minutos.es to include their RSS feed. Again, the RSS feed is:

http://www.20minutos.es/rss/

I can forward the approval e-mail message (in spanish) to whoever collects it, as I did with the DRAE searchplugin change.

Comment 17

[Axel Hecht [:Pike]]

Forward it to Mic, and ask her to comment here. Sorry for the lag.

Comment 18

[Mic Berman]

hey
i haven't received the email yet however, assuming it's as ricardo describes we'd be ok to make the addition (and depending on how it should work from an build process perspective which is axel/choffman's call)
hope that makes sense
mic

Comment 19

[Axel Hecht [:Pike]]

This is merely a change on the server side. RC1 is out the door, if want to change this, doing so for RC2 is the next good window.

Comment 20

[RickieES aka Ricardo Palomares]

(In reply to comment #18)
> hey
> i haven't received the email yet however, assuming it's as ricardo describes
> we'd be ok to make the addition (and depending on how it should work from an
> build process perspective which is axel/choffman's call)
> hope that makes sense


I didn't know who was the one to forward the e-mail. :-) I've just sent it.

BTW, I've noticed that Status Whiteboard still refers to Google News. As we've got approval for our first choice, http://www.20minutos.es/rss/ we would like to go for it.

Comment 21

[Rubén Martín [:Nukeador] ❌ [away till Aug 31st]]

Is the server-side change going to happen between RC2 and the final release? It still points to google news rss.

Comment 22

[Axel Hecht [:Pike]]

Mic, is this ready to go now?

Comment 23

[Mic Berman]

so sorry for delay
BD is good to go, I have received the email for 20minutos
thanks
mic

Comment 24

[Axel Hecht [:Pike]]

Added to the wiki, should be part of the next chunk of redirect updates.

Comment 25

[Axel Hecht [:Pike]]

serverside is fixed, too.