392945 - add en-IN locale

Status: RESOLVED INCOMPLETE

(Mozilla Localizations :: Other, defect)

Description

[Robert Helmer [:rhelmer]]

Let's add a new locale - en-IN 
chofmann and sbindernagel have volunteered to be maintainers.

Comment 1

[Marek Stępień [:marcoos, inactive]]

That would be probably the first l10n done by non-native speakers. :)

Comment 2

[Axel Hecht [:Pike]]

This should really be just in Other.

Comment 3

[Seth Bindernagel]

Attachment: Search and RSS providers in India, from Team 21 at IIM-A

Comment 4

[Seth Bindernagel]

Adding Vijay Haryal, student leader from Team 21 at IIM-Ahmedabad, to the bug.  Any research related questions to localizing en-IN can be sent to Vijay (copying SethB).  Vijay will be guiding a research project for Mozilla for this semester at his management school in India.  He and his team did the initial research on search providers and RSS in India. The report is attached to this bug.

Comment 5

[chris hofmann]

after some more discussion looks like we will start with en-gb as the starting point for this locale, although the changes between en-US and en-GB are small.

Something like this list, plus some control characters.

substitution of spelling on 7 words that appear in the UI
>>
>> color(s) -> colour(s)
>> dialogue  -> dialog
>> Go forward -> Go forwards
>> Minimize -> Minimise
>> Center -> Centre
>> Organize -> Organise
>> Customize -> Customise
>>
>> hyphination on 2 words that appear in the UI
>> popup -> pop-up
>> Sans-serif -> Sans serif

Comment 6

[chris hofmann]

an update on where this is....

I'm working on a tree under.
http://l10n.mozilla.org/~chofmann/l10n/tree/ll0n/en-IN

its basically en-GB with all the substitutions needed to make it en-IN

A bit more work is needed on the a1books.xml if we decide to include that search plugin in http://l10n.mozilla.org/~chofmann/l10n/tree/ll0n/en-IN/browser/searchplugins/

but other than that we should be at the stage where we can create a lang pack or build and give it a try.

I ran into a bunch of problems trying to create a build environment under http://people.mozilla.com/~chofmann/l10n/tree/ so I'm move to the l10n server for a better build environment

Axel and I have been working though stuff at 
http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/Creating_en-X-dude and it appears that we might be able to simplfy for these cases where we might want to produce

en-AU , CA, and others from en-gb

es-MX  and others from es-ES

and other regional variations with local branding updates from an existing locale.

Comment 7

[Vijay Haryal]

I read that an xml is being created for a1books by creating a1books.xml . 
As we have mentioned and clarified before that a1books is a new entrant into the Indian market. Indiatimes.com, rediff.com and a host of portals are selling books online but it's not very evident that who is the market leader.
We are planning to conduct a market research, both primary and secondary, which would help us to take the final call.

Comment 8

[chris hofmann]

there is a first crack at generating an en-IN langpack up at http://l10n.mozilla.org/~chofmann/l10n/tree/build/dist/install/

installed on a clean profile with the locale switcher extension ( https://addons.mozilla.org/de/firefox/addon/356 )  here is what I get 

user agent stuff looks right
Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-IN; rv:1.8.1.6) Gecko/2007072518 Firefox/2.0.0.6

but several problems need to be figured out.  

search engine changes made in http://l10n.mozilla.org/~chofmann/l10n/tree/l10n/en-IN/browser/searchplugins/ don't seem to be included.  
yahoo search code isn't right, and I would have expected to get somethign for a1books, but not the icon in the dropdown list, since we don't have one for that yet...

bookmark for gettting started still points to 
http://en-us.www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/central/ 
so bookmarks changes didn't seem to get picked up from http://l10n.mozilla.org/~chofmann/l10n/tree/l10n/en-IN/browser/profile/bookmarks.html

Comment 9

[chris hofmann]

Vijay,  In reference to Comment 7 about a1books.xml   

Definitely no decisions have been made about which search plugins to replace yet.  I'm just using the a1books as a place holder for any book seller search plugin that we might want to add since amazon doesn't seem to make sense in this locale.

comments on which book seller might make sense if any are welcome.

Comment 10

[chris hofmann]

tools | options | content 

shows "fonts and colours"  so the translated content out of the en-GB base build seems to made into the xpi.

Comment 11

[chris hofmann]

might be hard to test all the bookmark and searchplugin stuff or anything profile based...  is the reason I'm not seeing any of these changes because the profile related stuff in the langpack xpi doesn't want to stomp on anything in my existing profile?

Comment 12

[chris hofmann]

looking into the opened up xpi it doesn't appear the  search plug and profile stuff is in there...  maybe that is by design..   here are the only changes I see...

$ cd ./en-in/chrome/en-IN
$ find . -type f -exec grep en-IN {} \;
general.useragent.locale=en-IN
intl.accept_languages=en-IN, en

Comment 13

[chris hofmann]

confirmed with axel that the langpacks can't be used for checking the branding stuff.

there is a linux installer now at http://l10n.mozilla.org/~chofmann/l10n/tree/build/dist/firefox-2.0.0.7pre.en-IN.linux-i686.tar.gz

that we can use to check out bookmarks, start page, search engines and such.

Comment 14

[chris hofmann]

I've made some comments about another possible strategy to provide a more customoized and tuned en-IN Firefox experience in https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=345039  

any thoughts on this approach of creating an extension that could be applied to either an en-US or en-GB base install?

Comment 15

[Vijay Haryal]

We have designed this questionnaire which will help us do a confirmatory research.
http://www.zoomerang.com/survey.zgi?p=WEB2277H7TRWER
Please suggest improvements/ comments on it , so we can deploy it.
Thanks
Vijayendra Haryal
Team Lead, Team 21
IIM Ahmedabad,India

Comment 16

[Axel Hecht [:Pike]]

This is not gonna get done for fx2, removing fx2-specific alias.

Comment 17

[Axel Hecht [:Pike]]

Resolving INCOMPLETE, whatever we knew or thought back then is no more, and we think today would be better suited with a new bug.