Closed Bug 402630 Opened 13 years ago Closed 6 years ago

let's add the new "Powered by Mozilla" logo to Firefox

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(Firefox :: General, defect)

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RESOLVED WONTFIX

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(Reporter: jslater, Unassigned)

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As detailed at http://www.intothefuzz.com/2007/10/15/mozilla-power/ there's a new "Powered by Mozilla" logo that applies the various products out there (Joost, Songbird, mobile devices, etc). 

Since the most prominent product that's powered by Mozilla is Firefox, we'd like to add this logo somewhere within Firefox 3. Seems to me like the best place for this is somewhere in the About area, but I'm open to suggestions.

The key challenge seems to be localization, but since this logo is quite simple it doesn't seem too difficult. To quote Beltzner, "I was discussing with some other people, and they said that as long as the source fonts and graphics were made available, we could probably even get this localized pretty easily as a graphic. I prefer leaving it as a localizable string, but that's really implementation semantics at this point."

Thanks,
John
Summary: let → let's add the new "Powered by Mozilla" logo to Firefox 3
Nominating for blocking, probably will end up as wanted.

mconnor has long thought that the UA string need not be in "About Mozilla Firefox" since it's also in about: - perhaps we could remove the UA string there, add a link to about: as a way of linking off to the diagnostic messages, and instead put the Powered by Mozilla logo at bottom.
Flags: blocking-firefox3?
Wanted, but not going to block the release if this doesn't happen.
Flags: blocking-firefox3? → wanted-firefox3+
Dao/mconnor: can we point slater in the right direction of some way / some one to help with this fix?
If the logo needs to be localized, I guess it makes most sense to do it as a graphic, as that preserves the font and can be picked up by other apps easily.
Pascal is working on localizing the images, as appropriate.

I'm not too fond of adding localized images to the l10n process, I wonder if we should put them somewhere in /cvsroot and pick them up if there.

What's the license of that graphic, anyway? Should it go in other-licenses, and if so, what happens with the free software builds?
Attached image layout proposal
ehy Dao, imho centering the logo makes the text somehow unbalanced, how about putting it to the bottom right?
A few things:
- we already have the text "powered by gecko" in this box, is it a replacement of this text or is it in addition?
- some localizers prefer to keep "powered by" in English
- in some languages, the logo would have to be changed with the text below and not above. There are a couple of languages where it would be tricky because they would need mozilla in between two strings
- if we include it as a graphic to the source code, we should make sure that it is removed when compiled with no branding I think
Attachment #288478 - Flags: ui-review?(beltzner)
Just checking in on this...has there been any progress on this lately? Personally I prefer the version where the logo is shifted over to the right.
Comment on attachment 288482 [details]
screen with "powered by mozilla" on the right

ui-r+ with one change; don't bother with the expand/collapse widget, and just use that area to show the version number. The build string is available in about: now, so there's no need to have it in this window, too.
Attachment #288482 - Flags: ui-review+
Comment on attachment 288478 [details]
layout proposal

(The right-align approach is better.)
Attachment #288478 - Flags: ui-review?(beltzner) → ui-review-
(In reply to comment #6)
> What's the license of that graphic, anyway? Should it go in other-licenses, and
> if so, what happens with the free software builds?

Slater - can you confirm that we're making no restrictions on the usage of that logo? I don't think we are (as it appears in a lot of places already). If so, we can use it in all builds of the browser (free and branded).
Sorry about the slow reply - I had to do a legal review with Catherine Brady & Harvey Anderson.

The answer is that we can use the logo as is, but we need to update the legal 'fine print' on this page as follows:

"©1998-2008 Contributors.  All rights reserved.  Mozilla, Firefox and the Firefox logos are registered trademarks of the Mozilla Foundation.  All rights reserved."

Let me know if you have any questions.

Thanks,
John
If this is going to actually land, someone better find someone with time to spare, and at least a modicum of build/packaging skill, really really quickly. 

* Having to change the localized &copyrightInfo; string makes this spectacularly-late-l10n

* Comment 6 means someone needs to figure out how to make browser/locales/jar.mn, or more likely browser/locales/Makefile.in deal with finding other-licenses/poweredbymoz/ab-CD/poweredByMozilla.png if it exists, or other-licenses/poweredbymoz/en-US/poweredByMozilla.png if it doesn't

* xul:image doesn't seem to have an alt-equivalent - maybe it's as simple as tooltipText (though for people not using a screenreader, having a picture of text with the title "the text that this is a picture of" is ugly), but it's either going to be inaccessible content, or more spectacularly-late-l10n

* The way that the dialog sizes to the (localized) content of the first About page, and then retains that size (unresizable at least on Mac) for the (nonlocalized) second Credits page, means that any change to the content of the first page needs to be sure that in all locales the first page is still big enough to keep the license and credits links at the end of the credits page from being scrolled off the top. Probably, but not certainly, adding words will mean that whatever sizing is done to the image to make it work with en-US will work for every other locale, but since there's nothing localizers can do about it, whoever takes this bug will either need to add a localized spacer in the first page, or check every locale as they translate &copyrightInfo;.
Summary: let's add the new "Powered by Mozilla" logo to Firefox 3 → let's add the new "Powered by Mozilla" logo to Firefox
Given that we're string frozen now, is this WONTFIX? It seems that we'd had to make string changes to make legal happy, and we can't do that anymore.
Target Milestone: --- → Future
Would it be possible to add the Powered by Mozilla logo to 3.1?  We're almost ready to make this logo officially available for use and it would be great to be able to list Firefox as an application that is Powered by Mozilla.
Flags: blocking-firefox3.1?
Blocks: 458410
Flags: wanted-firefox3.1?
Target Milestone: Future → ---
When you've got the logo ready to add, feel free to renominate, but we're not going to block the release on it. :) Also, there's a localization aspect here that we'll have to consider, as Axel pointed out.
Flags: wanted-firefox3.1?
Flags: blocking-firefox3.1?
Flags: blocking-firefox3.1-
I would suggest putting the Powered by Mozilla logo in as is for now without translating it.  Translating the logo seems like a bigger discussion that should take place separately from the 3.1 release.  Does that sound reasonable?
(In reply to comment #19)
> I would suggest putting the Powered by Mozilla logo in as is for now without
> translating it.  Translating the logo seems like a bigger discussion that
> should take place separately from the 3.1 release.  Does that sound reasonable?
Fwiw, this seems like a good plan to me. 

I'm not sure we really even should localize the logo itself, although that's something that should be discussed as a group. However, there is some legal text (see comment #14) that does need to be localized, I think.
We're string frozen for 3.1. I'm not sure this is important enough to break the string freeze.
In terms of the text that needs to be updated according to comment #14, it looks like it's just adding the word 'Mozilla' to the legal text that's already there.  The About Mozilla Firefox box in Firefox 3.0.4 already has most of this text and I'm assuming it's been localized, so it would seem that just adding the word 'Mozilla' and a comma is all we need to do for each localization.  Doing this may be more than we want to do at this point, but I did want to clarify that we're not talking about translating a whole new bunch of legal text.
Are we back in a string freeze again now? Will there be an unfrozen window before the final release?

Gerv
(In reply to comment #23)
> Are we back in a string freeze again now? Will there be an unfrozen window
> before the final release?
Yes we are.  There may be a window of opening again, but as I understand it, it's only for really really special strings (maybe this will apply).

That doesn't mean we can't take a patch for mozilla-central so we don't keep playing the "let's fix this just before release" game.
Is this still desired?

Or conversely, expressly not desired?  In favor of some other proposal or superceeded by something X?
I filed this bug and can confidently say it's no longer needed.
Status: NEW → RESOLVED
Closed: 6 years ago
Resolution: --- → WONTFIX
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