412184 - (fx3-wsl10n-hu) Web services changes for Firefox 3 for Hungary

Status: RESOLVED FIXED

(Mozilla Localizations :: hu / Hungarian, defect)

Description

[Mic Berman]

The localizer consulted the community and suggest the following changes to web services for Firefox 3, which I have reviewed.
Search engines:
Google, Polymeta, Sztaki, CC, eBay, Vatera, Wikipedia (hungary)
Removing Yahoo - it's not popular search provider in Hungary and doesn't deal with Hungarian language as well as Polymeta. 
Polymeta is a meta-search engine that provides a good user experience, is aware of Hungarian language rules (Hungarian is a morphologically rich language, polymeta can stem the words and search for all forms in the web)
Sztaki was suggested as a specific search engine that acts as a good English-Hungarian Dictionary 
Vatera is the biggest Hungarian e-commerce site and provides a good clean user experience
CC has been included to better support their efforts internationally (mic's suggestion per comments from Lilly and Gen)

RSS Readers:
Google, Netvibes, Bloglines, and Hírlapom.hu
(www.hirlapom.hu) is a local provider that collects all of Hungarian news sites. 
My Yahoo is not popular or well used in Hungary 
Andras - do we need 4 providers or can we reduce the list to 3 by removing Bloglines or Netvibes?

Live Bookmark:
keep index.hu, it is popular, and good news aggregator for Hungary

Comment 1

[Mic Berman]

Mic - awaiting permission from 3d parties for changes i.e., polymeta, Vatera and Hirlapom
Andras - can you get me a contact for Vatera please

Comment 2

[Mic Berman]

received permission from Plolymeta: "jofoldi endre" <[e-mail]>: 
Hello.

Thank you for the opportunity! We give the permission.
If you need any information from us, just write to me.

Thank you,

Endre Jofoldi
Senior Developer
K-PROG

Comment 3

[Axel Hecht [:Pike]]

Hrm. Hirlapom looks like it is a news aggretation service, does it offer reading your own list of feeds, too?

Comment 4

[Mic Berman]

I tested Hirlapom (my connection is incredibly slow) but it seemed like I could add a feed in the box on the main page (at least it looked that way in the data processing messages).
Andras - can you confirm please, it should be able to do this if its a true RSS reader. 

Comment 5

[Andras Timar]

Re: Hírlapom: You can add your own feeds and you can select any from the already categorized feeds. The box at the left hand side contains the feeds that the user likes to read.

Comment 6

[Axel Hecht [:Pike]]

What we'll need is a URL so that we can add urls by loading a url.

The other thing that I just saw is that the hirlapom site as I see it is one huge chunk of flash. And there doesn't seem to be any fallback for user that don't have flash installed. Is that good? At least it looks like "ugh" if a disable the flash plugin in fx3's add-ons dialog.

Comment 7

[Zoltán Andrejkovics]

>huge chunk of flash. And there doesn't seem to be any fallback
Already fixed. The site offers to download the latest player, if its not installed.

If you have any further question about hirlapom, please ask.
Thanks for opportunity

Comment 8

[Mic Berman]

Andras, can you land a patch for Hirlapom? so it lands in B4

Comment 9

[Andras Timar]

Patch landed.
@@ -9,8 +9,8 @@
 # selection UI
 browser.contentHandlers.types.0.title=Bloglines
 browser.contentHandlers.types.0.uri=http://www.bloglines.com/login?r=/sub/%s
-browser.contentHandlers.types.1.title=My Yahoo
-browser.contentHandlers.types.1.uri=http://add.my.yahoo.com/rss?url=%s
+browser.contentHandlers.types.1.title=Hírlapom
+browser.contentHandlers.types.1.uri=http://www.hirlapom.hu/index.html?addurl=%s
 browser.contentHandlers.types.2.title=Google
 browser.contentHandlers.types.2.uri=http://fusion.google.com/add?feedurl=%s
 

Comment 10

[Mic Berman]

from provider:

----- Original Message -----
From: "Hirlapom" 
To: "Michal Berman" 
Cc: "timar" 
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 3:20:31 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: Hirlapom.hu in the Fx3

Dear Michal,

I am hereby sending you the URL requested:

browser.contentHandlers.types.3.title=Hirlapom
browser.contentHandlers.types.3.uri=http://www.hirlapom.hu/index.html?addurl=%s

Best Regards,

Iván

Comment 11

[:Gavin Sharp [email: [e-mail]]]

That change looks fine.

Comment 12

[Mic Berman]

permission from polymeta

----- Original Message -----
> From: "PolyMeta info" <>
> To: "Michal Berman" <>
> Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 4:47:16 AM (GMT-0500) America/New_York
> Subject: Re: Firefox 3

> Hello.
>
> Thank you for the opportunity! We give the permission.
> If you need any information from us, just write to me.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Endre Jofoldi
> Senior Developer
> K-PROG
>
> 

Comment 13

[Mic Berman]

sorry for double post there comment #12 and 2. i believe we're still outstanding permission from Sztaki. I will post that shortly.

Axel do we have correct parameters or should that be checked as well?

Comment 14

[Mic Berman]

Andras, for mailto and calendar are these defaults ok or should we look for others?

mailto: gmail, yahoo, hotmail
calendar: google, yahoo, 30boxes

Comment 15

[Axel Hecht [:Pike]]

Missing search engines are:

Polymeta, hu.wikipedia.org (currently has en-US).

Missing permissions: Vatera, Sztaki.

Pending removals: Yahoo (Amazon only if replaced by Vatera?)

We'll need to get the search strings reviewed for all of Polymeta, Vatera, and Sztaki.

Andras, could you create and attach a patch at least for Polymeta and wikipedia-hu?

Comment 16

[Mic Berman]

working on permissions, will post back as soon as i have them
faxed Vatera

here is permission from Sztaki

----- Original Message -----
From: "Balazs E. Pataki" 
To: "Michal Berman" 
Cc: "timar" 
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 5:03:01 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: permission for Sztaki in Hungarian Firefox 3

Dear Mic,

Thank you very much for your inquiry!

It would be our pleasure if you could include SZTAKI Dictionary in the 
list of default search plugins for Firefox 3. If you need any assistance 
in this (clarification of query parameters, etc.), you know where to 
find me. ;-)

Best regards,
---
balazs

Comment 17

[Mic Berman]

have not received anything from Vatera yet. Here's my suggestion, given they are a large portal site and should be able to accept our traffic, I will send them a negative option fax i.e., we are including you in our build, if this is a problem contact us by Monday to let us know this is not ok with you. 
Andras, Pike how do you feel about taking this approach versus removing them from the list?

Andras, comment #14 - for mailto and webcal I will move that to a separate bug to deal with post RC1. 

Comment 18

[Axel Hecht [:Pike]]

Regarding webcal, we're having 30boxes in the tree, but nothing for mailto:.

Comment 19

[Mic Berman]

we need to update for mailto to have at least yahoo!mail. can you add this as a patch?

Comment 20

[Mic Berman]

permission received from vatera (nothing like last minute)


----- Original Message -----
From: "Csaba Ajtony" <>
To: mic
Cc: "Csupor Erik" <>, "Gerő Viktor - Vatera" <>
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 9:41:21 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: permission to include vatera's search engine in Firefox 3 for Hungary

Dear Mr. Berman, 

we give our permission to include vatera's search engine in your upcoming release of Firefox 3 for Hungary. 

Regards, 
Csaba Ajtony 
marketing director 

Comment 21

[Mic Berman]

andras - ping ??

Comment 22

[Andras Timar]

mic - pong.

I added yahoo!mail as you requested but I do not feel competent to deal with this bug. You ask me to add yahoo!mail but you do not tell me how. BTW I copied the lines from the German locale. I will not object if you do anything you like within the hu locale in regards of this bug.

Comment 23

[Mic Berman]

andras thanks - we may be able to close this bug now.
i apologize if i missed seeing that you did that already. 
over to axel to see if we can close :)

Comment 24

[Mic Berman]

further to these last notes, axel and i had a chat on IRC about vatera and shopping engine's for hungary. 

andras, at the time you and i were discussing these options in january the guidelines were to have 6 plug-ins. since then we changed it to allow more. in en-us they are shipping with 7 (like for bug 380785). also you had said community feedback was that amazon wasn't very popular in hungary but there was no alternative for a comprehensive shopping site like amazon. most sites were very specific.

soooo
my recommendation is to leave amazon in the list so at least it gives some comparisons for users when they do look for shopping like amazon provides, even to compare to hungarian sites. and because there were no good suggestions for something as comprehensive as amazon for hungary right now.

we will still need a plug in for vatera to land. up to you and axel on that piece ;)

Comment 25

[Axel Hecht [:Pike]]

Andras got back to us, he's busy, so I did a little peering here.

region.properties was already cool, so all I did was fixing wikipedia, I changed the English one for the Hungarian one.

As for Valeta, we'll pick that up when Andras has time for that, and we should put that in a different bug.

Marking this FIXED, based on reference http://hg.mozilla.org/users/axel_mozilla.com/l10n-src-verification/index.cgi/file/57531158330d/reference/HEAD/hu/.

Andras, despite me coming up with a path or two, we'd still need you to opt-in in the newsgroup thread. If you do, please tell us wich testing you could do, even if it was few. Then we'll try to come up with testers from our side. I see that you're shipping Betas since B3, so just giving us an idea of how feedback went among your users so far would help us a lot.