Closed Bug 418297 (fx3-wsl10n-da) Opened 17 years ago Closed 17 years ago

Web services changes for Firefox 3 for Danish (da-DK)

Categories

(Mozilla Localizations :: da / Danish, defect)

Product:
Mozilla Localizations
Component:
da / Danish
Type:
defect
Priority:
Not set
Severity:
normal

Tracking

(Not tracked)

Status:
VERIFIED FIXED
Milestone:
Future

People

(Reporter: mic, Assigned: sskroeder)

References

Details

(Whiteboard: needs-patch)

Attachments

(1 file)

changes 'Dansk' to 'da' in ShortName tag
1.34 KB, patch
Pike
: review+
Details | Diff | Splinter Review
Tracking any changes to web services for Danish. Here's what I have as your defaults: Search plugins: Google, Yahoo, Amazon, Answers, CC, eBay Please add Wikipedia, there is a Danish version, can you create a patch to add it instead of the English version? Readers: Bloglines, My Yahoo, Google LB: www.dr.dk The new defaults for Mailto and calendar are expected to be Mailto: GMail, YahooMail, Hotmail Calendar: 30boxes, Google, Yahoo The guidelines for making recommendations is here: http://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox_web_services_guidelines Thanks
Blocks: fx3-l10n-da
ping
Whiteboard: needs-patch
I'll take a look into this...
Status: NEW → ASSIGNED
Mic: Can you point me to the files i need to check with regards to the readers and the defaults for mailto and calendar... ?
Soren, I'm not exactly sure what you're after. But...here is some more information: To enable these protocol handlers you can check for more detail [http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/Web-based_protocol_handlers] and send the link to organizations when asking them about inclusion. If you're interested in more about the technology [http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/Using_microformats|]that enables this, read about micro-formats on Alex Faaborg's [http://blog.mozilla.com/faaborg|] blog or check in on Mark Frinkle's blog. does that help?
I think Søren is asking; where can you change feed, mail and calendar handlers to accommodate your original request? When I did a quick sweep, I found [browser-region/region.properties] had feed and calendar handlers, but not mail. By the way, I would recommend the following: Feed: Google, Bloglines, My Yahoo Mail: GMail, Hotmail, YahooMail Calendar: Google, 30boxes, Yahoo
thanks, if the team is recommending what you've written in comment #5, then there are no changes relative to the en-US defaults so my understanding is that you will not need to make changes to your region.properties file. gavin or axel can confirm that technical aspect. soren - please advise if the team/community agrees with hansen's recommendations
I agree with hansen. (In reply to comment #0) > Readers: Bloglines, My Yahoo, Google No widely used local providers exists. No need to change. > LB: www.dr.dk They are still one of the two most used news channels (dr.dk and tv2.dk). No need to change. > Mailto: GMail, YahooMail, Hotmail There are local providers here, but none of them have a widely used web interface. No need to change. > Calendar: 30boxes, Google, Yahoo No widely used local providers exists. No need to change. (If order matters, I would put Hotmail before YahooMail and I would put Google first in readers and calendar)
I concur with hansen and Jesper... We have an agreement in place with dr.dk about them providing news-feed for our live bookmaks. With regards to Wikipedia - I've checked a localized version of the searchplugin into CVS (http://bonsai-l10n.mozilla.org/cvsblame.cgi?file=l10n%2Fda%2Fbrowser%2Fsearchplugins%2Fwikipedia-da.xml&rev=&cvsroot=%2Fl10n) I hope this is OK (can't remember if there was a specific procedure for admitting new search plugins into CVS)
Whiteboard: needs-patch → needs-gavin
(In reply to comment #8) > I hope this is OK (can't remember if there was a specific procedure for > admitting new search plugins into CVS) It would be best if you attach a patch in a bug and request review from Axel first. That said, the landed engine good to me.
Any chance TDC Webmail could be added? TDC is the largest ISP in Denmark and all of their customers have access to their webmail: http://mail.tdconline.dk/
(In reply to comment #10) > Any chance TDC Webmail could be added? > TDC is the largest ISP in Denmark and all of their customers have access to > their webmail: > http://mail.tdconline.dk/ > I have never seen anyone using TDC Webmail. Everyone who uses TDC's e-mail seems to be using POP. I have no statistics to back it up, but I think it would be more relevant to add Forum.dk (previously Ofir) or Jubii.dk. And I don't think any of them are widely used.
I'm working on getting some market data. Will get back to you with what I find across the 3. Thus far, using alexholic.net, they seem fairly similar in terms of popularity. The user experience across all three is also simple and functional with different graphic styles, jubii being the most differentiated.
Whiteboard: needs-gavin → needs-mic
Are you referring to this?: http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details/oscar.com?site0=mail.forum.dk&site1=secure.mail.jubii.dk&site2=mail.tdconline.dk&y=r&z=3&h=300&w=610&range=3m&size=Medium It seems they only count TLD+1, which does not tell very much. At least for TDC and Jubii where webmail is only a small fraction of what they do.
jesper - yep that's what i was talking about and it does give some data but I agree not great data. still checking with other sources if we can get more information otherwise it would be great to get a recommendation on all of the mailto options. For example do we want Google Yahoo Hotmail + 1 danish option? or some other combination?
(In reply to comment #9) > (In reply to comment #8) <...> > That said, the landed engine good to me. Seems to me like we'd still would like to see a change to wikipedia-da.xml, and that is to change the <ShortName> to "Wikipedia (da)" to match the description on http://da.wikipedia.org/. Then that page wouldn't offer to install a new plugin. Could we get a patch for that?
Assignee: nobody → sskroeder
Attachment #308458 - Flags: review?
Pike: Will the patch need approval - or should I just check it in ?
Attachment #308458 - Flags: review? → review?(l10n)
Comment on attachment 308458 [details] [diff] [review] changes 'Dansk' to 'da' in ShortName tag r=me, please check this in with a comment referring to this bug and my review, and describing the change. Something like "bug 418297, adjust short name to match da.wikipedia.org, r=l10n@mozilla.org" would work.
Attachment #308458 - Flags: review?(l10n) → review+
wikipedia-da.xml patched. - Unfortunately didn't read your description beforehand, so the commit message is "Changes 'Dansk' to 'da' in search plugin ShortName" instead ;-/ (I'll try to read comments in the bug before checking in next time - just saw the approval in the mail and acted upon this...)
comment #8 We have an agreement in place with dr.dk about them providing news-feed for our live bookmaks. Do you have direct permission from dr.dk? if not, i will email them to get permission thanks
(In reply to comment #20) > comment #8 > We have an agreement in place with dr.dk about them providing news-feed for our > live bookmaks. > Do you have direct permission from dr.dk? if not, i will email them to get > permission > thanks > We got permission from Troels Behrendt Jørgensen, News Chief of Online- and Telly Text services at DR during the launch of Firefox 2.0 - I take it that the agreement is still standing (We haven't been notified of the opposite) I forwarded the email expressing the agreement to you Mic, on September 20th, 2006... If you wish, I could contact them again...
Soren, thanks, no need and my apologies I should have double checked to confirm we were making a change or keeping LiveBookmark same. SO, no need to do anything more for live bookmark :)
following up on comment #11. here's some additional data http://www.alexa.com/site/ds/top_sites?cc=DK&ts_mode=country&lang=none it seems tdconline is slightly more popular than forum - so if that's accurate i'd lean towards them although it's close. Soren can you offer any further perspectives from the community as to what would be a better choice for Danish users? otherwise I'd say let's try for TDC and get permission.
(In reply to comment #23) > Soren can you offer any further perspectives from the community as to what > would be a better choice for Danish users? otherwise I'd say let's try for TDC > and get permission. > Since I work for TDC I can get all the info you need. Just let me know.
It could be interesting to see traffic statistics on the three Danish webmails mentioned earlier in this bug and compare it with statistics on Danish traffic on the three international webmails.
(In reply to comment #25) > It could be interesting to see traffic statistics on the three Danish webmails > mentioned earlier in this bug and compare it with statistics on Danish traffic > on the three international webmails. > I can get stats on the TDC webmail if you wish
(In reply to comment #26) > (In reply to comment #25) > > It could be interesting to see traffic statistics on the three Danish webmails > > mentioned earlier in this bug and compare it with statistics on Danish traffic > > on the three international webmails. > > > > I can get stats on the TDC webmail if you wish > That might be uesful, if we can also get stats from the other ones.
I agree ONLY IF we can get stats on all three, otherwise we're back in same situation as before. looking at publicly available stats they are very close and TDC seems to be the leader. Based on that and the very similar user experience (to me as a non Danish speaker) I'd say let's go with TDC unless there is strong opinion on the user experience side to say one is better than the other and why.
(In reply to comment #28) > looking at publicly available stats they are very close and TDC seems > to be the leader. > > Based on that and the very similar user experience (to me as a non Danish > speaker) I'd say let's go with TDC unless there is strong opinion on the user > experience side to say one is better than the other and why. > I would say all of them or none of them. And of course GMail, YahooMail and Hotmail should be there. Actually we frequently get questions about TCD e-mail (not webmail, but POP) in our Thunderbird support forum. The reason is they offer up to five e-mail addresses for each broadband connection, and people don't seem to understand that it is only aliases and not five inboxes. So they ask how to set up Thunderbird to filter their messages.
mike - need some help here. would it be terrible to have 6 mailto protocol choices? it seems the danish providers are all pretty even on user experience and popularity.
Actually there are even more providers. Cybercity, Tele2, Telia, Fullrate etc. also provide webmail support in the same way TDC does.
If 6 mailto: protocols are possible I would go for (ordered by popularity) Gmail Hotmail YahooMail Forum Jubii TDC If only one/two are applicable, I'd choose Forum and Jubii (since they are actual web based mail services). TDCmail can be accessed via POP3/IMAP - Jubii and Forum can't (AFAIK) The thing about tdconline.dk is that it's a portal for all online services by Denmarks largest TelCo, which beside webmail also include a music store, web storage and more. I suspect the traffic shown on Alexa has more to do with these areas than mail alone, whereas the traffic on Jubii and especially Forum are more chat and communication-related (this includes checking mail).
(In reply to comment #32) > If 6 mailto: protocols are possible I would go for (ordered by popularity) > Gmail > Hotmail > YahooMail > Forum > Jubii > TDC I don't like to have five free e-mail providers and one broadband provider. It feels like giving TDC an advantage over it's competitors.
(In reply to comment #33) > (In reply to comment #32) > > If 6 mailto: protocols are possible I would go for (ordered by popularity) > > ... > > TDC > > I don't like to have five free e-mail providers and one broadband provider. It > feels like giving TDC an advantage over it's competitors. > I understand the sentiment - but TDC seems to be at least more widely used than other TelCo's and do have a lot of users. That's the only reason that I would 'promote' a broadband provider over another... But (with all respect to Gemal) TDC would also be the first one to drop off my list... I don't have any data to back this up - but since Forum actually is nothing more than chat and E-mail, I would suspect their share of the web mail market to be larger than TDC's and Jubii's. TDC for reasons stated in comment #32 and Jubii because it's a portal with a lot of other usages than just mail/chat - recepies, e-cards, etc. BTW: One should note that the numbers from Alexa are all based on the TLD+1 domain - so you get the exact same numbers whether you compared: mail.forum.dk vs. secure.mail.jubii.dk vs. mail.tdconline.dk or forum.dk vs. jubii.dk vs. tdconline.dk
I just wonder. Do we talk about other mailto providers because it makes sense for the Danish locale or because Mic wants the list to differ from the en-US one?
Jesper, re comment#35, I am not making this request "just to differ from the en-US one". I am making this request because we believe that when possible we should find local language options for protocol handlers of any kind including mailto across all locales and/or choose the most popular mailto provider. Can any of you provide me a contact name and email for Forum, Jubii and TDC. This may be a mute argument if we can't get them to do the work they need to on their side to enable the mailto handler so I will contact them and find out.
(In reply to comment #36) > Jesper, re comment#35, I am not making this request "just to differ from the > en-US one". I am making this request because we believe that when possible we > should find local language options for protocol handlers of any kind including > mailto across all locales and/or choose the most popular mailto provider. What is the difference between "da and en-US should differ" and "da should contain providers that do not operate outside Denmark"? > Can any of you provide me a contact name and email for Forum, Jubii and TDC. > This may be a mute argument if we can't get them to do the work they need to on > their side to enable the mailto handler so I will contact them and find out. > Independent webmail providers: http://mit.forum.dk/Report.aspx?service=19&type=1 jubii@staff.jubii.dk Broadband providers: http://privat.tdc.dk/element.php?id=5149&dogtag=f5_p_kc_kt_skriv http://erhverv.cybercity.dk/kontakt/privat/kundeservice/ (last link) http://www.editorial.tele2.dk/?page=privat_kundeservice_kontakttele2_sendemail_show&t2page=privat_kundeservice_kontakttele2_sendemail (3.1.13) http://telia.dk/privat/kundeservice/bredbaand/kontakt/skriv/ (last option) http://www.fullrate.dk/om_fullrate/kontakt.php
thanks, I'll contact forum and jubii and tdc Jesper, i'm struggling with what further definition you are after but I'll do my best ;) - da should contain providers that do not operate outside Denmark. This is not something I've ever said. What I am trying to say is that we (Firefox team) beleives that having an in language (for the locale in this case danish) option for whatever services we offer is the right and good thing to do. It doesn't require or matter if they do or do not differ from the en-US. For example there are many times when Google offers a service that is localized for that language and therefore is good for that locale (and then does not differ from en-US). What matter is they are locally relevant. does that help?
I can be the contact person for TDC. I work for TDC and have contact to the people resposible for the webmail.
super here's the information I would have sent in an email ;-) We would like your permission and support to include your service as a mailto default protocol handler in the upcoming release of Firefox 3 in Russian. We will need you to provide us with the appropriate url to enable your service. There are some instructions here: We need a URL that accepts those parameters encoded as an embedded mailto: URL, as specified by the section of the WhatWG link pointed to by <http://whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/#custom-handlers>. If you need more explanation email us back for clarification.
(In reply to comment #40) > super here's the information I would have sent in an email ;-) > > We would like your permission and support to include your service as a > mailto default protocol handler in the upcoming release of Firefox 3 in > Russian. ... Danish, not Russian :) And maybe you should explain that it is webmail you are after. (In reply to comment #38) > thanks, I'll contact forum and jubii and tdc > > Jesper, i'm struggling with what further definition you are after but I'll do > my best ;) - da should contain providers that do not operate outside Denmark. > This is not something I've ever said. What I am trying to say is that we > (Firefox team) beleives that having an in language (for the locale in this case > danish) option for whatever services we offer is the right and good thing to > do. It doesn't require or matter if they do or do not differ from the en-US. > For example there are many times when Google offers a service that is localized > for that language and therefore is good for that locale (and then does not > differ from en-US). What matter is they are locally relevant. > > does that help? > GMail, Hotmail and YahooMail are all available in Danish
One question about the protocol handler. Let say the user clicks on a mailto link with: test@test.test?subject=test when everything is send to the TDC mailto handler ala: mail.tdc.dk/compose?to=test@test.test&subject=test ? and how to we determine if the subject is in UTF8 or something?
let me ask Mark Finkle or Dmose or Gavin for some help with your question
Whiteboard: needs-mic → needs-mic, needs-gavin
Looking at the spec I think I found out how it works. But we, TDC, are unable to provice any information before after easter. So I'll get to you next week
awaiting response from jubii and forum
Whiteboard: needs-mic, needs-gavin → needs-mic
so to close on mailto and webcal: jubii will not make it in time (I received email from Ludovic Thomas - they would really like to but have a few issues including timing - they will try and land at a later release). I have not heard from forum. So my conclusion is we are left with TDC + yahoo mail for mailto. Webcal we have 30 boxes as it's the only webcal available in time for RC1. rest will land later if we're ok then I suggest we close this bug and land the others when they are ready
Mic wrt. Mailto: what about Hotmail and GMail (or are they in by default) ? Same goes for WebCal: Besides 30boxes, will GoogleCal and YahooCal be included? If so, I concur with closing this bug and let other partners catch up when they are ready to do so ;-D
Soren - mailto defaults will be GMail, Yahoo and MSN Live Mail (Hotmail) however both Gmail and MSN Live Mail will not land in time for RC1 or Fx 3 release. and same goes for webcal (and yes you have them right). so only webcal landing for Fx3 release will be 30 boxes. closing the bug :)
Status: ASSIGNED → RESOLVED
Closed: 17 years ago
Resolution: --- → FIXED
Sorry, reopening. There's not yahoo mail in region properties yet, and I understand this bug to say that we want that.
Alias: fx3-wsl10n-da
Status: RESOLVED → REOPENED
Resolution: FIXED → ---
Whiteboard: needs-mic → needs-patch
Axel, thanks for pointing this out... I've just added Yahoo! Mail to region.properties and checked it in... sskroeder//sskroeder-desktop ~/projekter/mozilla/l10n/3.0/l10n/da/browser/chrome/browser-region cvs commit -m "Bug 418297: Added mailto handler for YahooMail" . cvs commit: Examining . Enter passphrase for key '/home/sskroeder/.ssh/id_dsa': Checking in region.properties; /l10n/l10n/da/browser/chrome/browser-region/region.properties,v <-- region.properties new revision: 1.4; previous revision: 1.3 done Closing bug again...
Status: REOPENED → RESOLVED
Closed: 17 years ago → 17 years ago
Resolution: --- → FIXED
We, TDC, finnaly managed to get it working. The URL is: http://mail.dk/mailto?uri=%s Should I file a new bug to have this added? Perhaps in a point release
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